Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6

Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6

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KTF

9,788 posts

149 months

Tuesday 16th September 2014
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Boris has a poke at the SNP as well:

Huffington Post said:
Boris Johnson has launched an audacious bid to break away from the United Kingdom and declare himself an independent country.

When quizzed on why he would break away, Johnson said that he had come to resent being ruled by a Westminster government 6 miles away from his Islington home, and that he should be able to control his “own monetary policy” and “determine his own future as a proud, independent nation”.

“I already comply with EU laws and regulations,” said Boris, “so reapplying for membership should I leave the UK will be a formality”.

On matters of defence, Boris said he hoped to remain a member of Nato, though he was not prepared to have Trident missiles siloed in his garden shed.

“This piffle will all be sorted out in the 18 months between me voting for my own independence and the day I actually become independent,” said Johnson.

On the question of currency, Johnson said an independent Boris would sign a formal union with Britain allowing him to keep the pound.

When pushed on a backup plan should the Chancellor rule against a currency union, Johnson ignored the question and said he would sign a formal union with Britain allowing him to keep the pound.
From: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/09/15/boris-j...

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Oakey

27,523 posts

215 months

Tuesday 16th September 2014
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KTF said:
The comments. So awesome.

MDMetal

2,775 posts

147 months

Tuesday 16th September 2014
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Getting sick of all of these % of who voted for what arguments, failing to understand democracy much?

What about when Shetland disagrees with Scotland? Should it split? Edinburgh from Glasgow? One street from another? Independence just leads towards every house being it's own country, if you can argue for a country to split off from another then sooner or later you can argue that cities or streets should split. The world's getting smaller we all need to move closer not further apart.

scorp

8,783 posts

228 months

Tuesday 16th September 2014
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MDMetal said:
The world's getting smaller we all need to move closer not further apart.
Agreed, I feel nationalism is a step backwards, not something to strive for.


bodhi

10,333 posts

228 months

Tuesday 16th September 2014
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KTF said:
Some of the comments on that are hilarious. Yessers really don't have a sense of humour smile

Bluebarge

4,519 posts

177 months

Tuesday 16th September 2014
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Moonhawk said:
Oh dear.......Welsh nationalists now jumping on the bandwagon - trying to stir up dissent.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-29217832

"....Jill Evans said the Barnett formula - which determines how public cash is distributed - is unfair to Wales."

"Wales loses out to the tune of £300m a year," said Plaid Cymru MEP Ms Evans, who is campaigning for a yes vote in Scotland."

Hang on a sec - loses out compared to whom? Wales gets about £1000 per head more than England gets on average.

She seems to be suggesting Wales should be getting what Scotland gets - and that it it unfair that they don't. But why should it work that way. It could equally be argued that spending in Wales should be brought in line with what England gets?

As usual - those who benefit most from the Barnett formula - complain loudest about it. F#cking hypocrites. rolleyes

Edited by Moonhawk on Tuesday 16th September 10:46
Calm down, Dear - Plaid Cymru only have 18% of the seats in the Welsh Assembly - Unionist parties make up all the rest. So, hardly anyone in Wales takes Plaid Cymru seriously, and nor should you.

Walford

2,259 posts

165 months

Tuesday 16th September 2014
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Oakey

27,523 posts

215 months

Tuesday 16th September 2014
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Bluebarge said:
Calm down, Dear - Plaid Cymru only have 18% of the seats in the Welsh Assembly - Unionist parties make up all the rest. So, hardly anyone in Wales takes Plaid Cymru seriously, and nor should you.
Once upon a time people probably said the same about the SNP!

plasticpig

12,932 posts

224 months

Tuesday 16th September 2014
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Looks like the English and Welsh don't want a currency union with an iScotland.


Moonhawk

10,730 posts

218 months

Tuesday 16th September 2014
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MDMetal said:
What about when Shetland disagrees with Scotland? Should it split? Edinburgh from Glasgow? One street from another?
Ah - you see that is different......because they are all in Scotland and Scottish people know what is best for Scottish people.

As an example - neds from inner city Glasgow, despite being smashed out of their skulls on buckfast, are far better equipped to understand the needs of a Shetland sheep farmer - than say a sheep farmer from the north York Moors - because - ya know - the latter are English - and what do the English know about being Scottish or the needs of Scotland........

Moonhawk

10,730 posts

218 months

Tuesday 16th September 2014
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plasticpig said:
looks like the English and Welsh don't want a currency union with an iScotland.
In the interests of 'fairness and democracy' and 'the settled will of the people' - it would be extremely hypocritical for the YeSNP to demand and impose a CU on such a large majority (almost 2/3rds)

Zod

35,295 posts

257 months

Tuesday 16th September 2014
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rovermorris999

5,195 posts

188 months

Tuesday 16th September 2014
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Troubleatmill

10,210 posts

158 months

Tuesday 16th September 2014
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plasticpig said:
Looks like the English and Welsh don't want a currency union with an iScotland.

It isn't the Bank of England that is the Lender of last resort.... ultimately - it comes down to us - the taxpayers to pick up the tab.

As a Scot living in England - I don't want to be the "lender of last resort" to a country I don't live in.
Especially one that seems hell bent on going on a drunken spending spree.

Walford

2,259 posts

165 months

Tuesday 16th September 2014
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Troubleatmill said:
It isn't the Bank of England that is the Lender of last resort.... ultimately - it comes down to us - the taxpayers to pick up the tab.

As a Scot living in England - I don't want to be the "lender of last resort" to a country I don't live in.
Especially one that seems hell bent on going on a drunken spending spree.
Like Gordon did

a311

5,789 posts

176 months

Tuesday 16th September 2014
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Anyone else think that regardless of what happens on Thursday that things will never be the same again? Or will it go back to business as usual (of course I’m assuming on the back of a No).

IMO Salmond & Co, have almost single handily divided a small nation. If they win the vote, the amount of time and money required to be spent trying to re-invent the wheel will take years. A huge waste as a along the majority of what the Yessers want they already have. A No and a lot of st has been stirred that can’t be taken back…….

I’m a bit peeved at the 11th hour grovelling the UK government is doing. Regardless I hope that this has got a lot more people interested in politics in the rUK and sparks political change. As a far North Westerner (Cumbria) I like the idea of a more federalist model in addition to a devolved English parliament.


Axionknight

8,505 posts

134 months

Tuesday 16th September 2014
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Walford said:
Like Gordon did
Correct, lessons learned. However any benefits of that splurge were for the UK as a whole, why back up similar spending by a foreign nation?

Bluebarge

4,519 posts

177 months

Tuesday 16th September 2014
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Oakey said:
Bluebarge said:
Calm down, Dear - Plaid Cymru only have 18% of the seats in the Welsh Assembly - Unionist parties make up all the rest. So, hardly anyone in Wales takes Plaid Cymru seriously, and nor should you.
Once upon a time people probably said the same about the SNP!
But the point is that the SNP used the Scots Assembly to reinforce their support in Scotland. Since the Welsh Assembly has come into being, Plaid have gone backwards. There is no groundswell of support for independence in Wales - Plaid get the same votes they have always got - from a few rural Welsh-speaking areas with very stable populations; the areas with the bulk of the population, businesses and jobs don't vote Plaid.

Oakey

27,523 posts

215 months

Tuesday 16th September 2014
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Bluebarge said:
But the point is that the SNP used the Scots Assembly to reinforce their support in Scotland. Since the Welsh Assembly has come into being, Plaid have gone backwards. There is no groundswell of support for independence in Wales - Plaid get the same votes they have always got - from a few rural Welsh-speaking areas with very stable populations; the areas with the bulk of the population, businesses and jobs don't vote Plaid.
Fair enough!

HarryW

15,150 posts

268 months

Tuesday 16th September 2014
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Is the vote going to be easily identifiable by areas/regions?

If the Shetlands and Orkneys vote for No does that mean they can stay as part of the union and we get to keep the oil which must surely be 'theirs to gift' certainly they have a greater claim on it than say glasgow or Edinburgh........
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