Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6

[Moonhawk]

Risky Shift said:

Moonhawk said:

As pointed out - many of the chips that nats seem to harbour about Thatcher/'The Tories' etc will be alien to youngsters who were still in nappies when she left power.

Sadly not as alien as you might think as the parents of a fair number of those youngsters will have been indoctrinated by their parents to believe all the negative tripe.

I guess. Somebody a few pages back quoted a youngster who apparently blamed Thatcher for spending all the oil money closing down coal mines.......

[Rovinghawk]

mpire said:

Why not just build a wall around the perimeter of the M25 ?

And fill the inside with water?

[grand cherokee]

having never been a Labour supporter I would however like to congratulate Gordon Brown on his speech this morning

full of passion and really touched 'base' - something he never did as PM

[Grandfondo]

On a motoring note,what will happen to vehicle registrations if there is a Yes vote?

Will private plates have to be sold to cars registered in England?

[Ug_lee]

MDMetal said:

Statistics after will be interesting regardless of the outcome especially if it's clear that the 16 year olds contributed a big sway one way or another.

Is there a mechanism to track how age groups vote in this?

If there is and it's a big no from younger voters I will be considerably more optimistic for the long term outlook for Scotland.

[Troubleatmill]

Trying to mitigate a run on the banks.....
Where's Edinburger these days?


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/ex...

[lamboman100]

Ug_lee said:

MDMetal said:

Statistics after will be interesting regardless of the outcome especially if it's clear that the 16 year olds contributed a big sway one way or another.

Is there a mechanism to track how age groups vote in this?

If there is and it's a big no from younger voters I will be considerably more optimistic for the long term outlook for Scotland.

It is the women's vote that has given the "Yes" campaign the biggest lift in recent weeks (although, the trend is fading now).

A large number of women were undecided, until Darling screwed up the second presidential debate.

[markh1973]

Funk said:

The only saving grace will be that politicians hate to be on the wrong side of public opinion, especially in the run up to an election.

If enough people want a hard line taken in negotiations should there be a Yes then they have more to lose by angering the electorate than pandering to a foreign country that no longer matters.

I think we will see the GE postponed in the event of a Yes.

The General Election can't be postponed without relevant legislation - 5 years is up next May and under eithe rthe new fixed term parliaments or the old system there has to be an election next May.

[nicanary]

grand cherokee said:

having never been a Labour supporter I would however like to congratulate Gordon Brown on his speech this morning

full of passion and really touched 'base' - something he never did as PM

It's been a constant of the whole bickering - former ministers have produced rational and impassioned speeches which they never did whilst in office. Perhaps they listened too much to their advisors at the time.

[ralphrj]

grand cherokee said:

having never been a Labour supporter I would however like to congratulate Gordon Brown on his speech this morning

full of passion and really touched 'base' - something he never did as PM

Gordon Brown is a surprisingly good public speaker when he speaks from the heart rather than from the manifesto*. See the speech he made in the House of Commons on the day Cameron's son died - he would have known from personal experience what it was to suffer the death of a child.

• It always gave me the impression that even he didn't believe the policies he was implementing.

[Funk]

plasticpig said:

Looks like the English and Welsh don't want a currency union with an iScotland.

I would wager that many of those who voted 'negotiate a currency union' have no actual idea what one is - probably thinking it just means 'sharing the pound'.

At least the majority of people seem to have their heads screwed on the right way round.

[ralphrj]

markh1973 said:

The General Election can't be postponed without relevant legislation - 5 years is up next May and under eithe rthe new fixed term parliaments or the old system there has to be an election next May.

I suspect you are right about it requiring some form of legislation but I also suspect that, providing all the major parties agree, it can be done relatively easily.

It was reported on the Telegraph referendum tracker last week that it was something the government was considering in the event of a 'Yes' vote. The comment was from Hague so it may have been made during last week's PMQs when he subbed for Cameron.

Whilst not on the same scale there was no General Election during the second world war so the house that was elected in 1935 sat all the way through to shortly after VE day in 1945.

[Funk]

rovermorris999 said:

Vote Yes, vote red it seems
http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2014/...

The problem with socialists is that eventually they run out of other peoples' money.

[Funk]

markh1973 said:

Funk said:

The only saving grace will be that politicians hate to be on the wrong side of public opinion, especially in the run up to an election.

If enough people want a hard line taken in negotiations should there be a Yes then they have more to lose by angering the electorate than pandering to a foreign country that no longer matters.

I think we will see the GE postponed in the event of a Yes.

The General Election can't be postponed without relevant legislation - 5 years is up next May and under eithe rthe new fixed term parliaments or the old system there has to be an election next May.

Indeed, there are already calls for the legislation to be introduced following a Yes outcome.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/03/ca...

[whoami]

doogz said:

I thought it was way too close to call.

Betfair disagree!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/re...

They're paying out early on No bets!

I saw that earlier; it's quite heartening.

[tomw2000]

lamboman100 said:

It is the women's vote that has given the "Yes" campaign the biggest lift in recent weeks (although, the trend is fading now).

A large number of women were undecided, until Darling screwed up the second presidential debate.

Hmmm interesting. I am sure the Times at the weekend, said it was men more like to 'vote with their hearts' and vote Yes and the women were being more sensible and fretting over money matters so more likely to vote no.

It's difficult to know who to believe

Freeeeeedumb.

[Wills2]

Wow that is interesting they must be confident, if the victory goes to the No vote by some margin that will make the pollsters look a little foolish.

[whoami]

lamboman100 said:

It is the women's vote that has given the "Yes" campaign the biggest lift in recent weeks (although, the trend is fading now).

A large number of women were undecided, until Darling screwed up the second presidential debate.

No, woman are leading the NO vote.

[Esseesse]

Wills2 said:

Wow that is interesting they must be confident, if the victory goes to the No vote by some margin that will make the pollsters look a little foolish.

Indeed, and it will be great to see Salmonds face afterwards.

[Esseesse]

whoami said:

lamboman100 said:

It is the women's vote that has given the "Yes" campaign the biggest lift in recent weeks (although, the trend is fading now).

A large number of women were undecided, until Darling screwed up the second presidential debate.

No, woman are leading the NO vote.

I'm not surprised about this. More likely to be men (especially younger ones) that are nationalistic and would vote YES just to kick the English.