Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6

[plasticpig]

barryrs said:

alock said:

Is this true? Are new EU members required to have VAT on everything?

I believe so and was covered in this very topic a good few months ago now.

No reply as usual was given by our Yes voting contributors.

You would be wrong in your belief. There are are whole host of exemptions from dentures to postage stamps in the directive. Also specific countries have negotiated specific exemptions; so Finland and Sweden don't have VAT on newspapers for example and there are many categories where reduced rates of VAT may be applied.

[Rude-boy]

technogogo said:

The best thing Cameron could do now is to hold a press release, say that they have been looking closely at the economics and that his official position is now wholeheartedly in favour of the Yes campaign. Adding that UK companies and institutions are vey much looking forward to serving the Scottish market. Complete with rubbing his hands together.

End. Of.

In front of 140 44 tonners loaded with barbed wire, guard huts and fence posts

[Wills2]

Langweilig said:

From the Belfast Telegraph

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/scotland-in...

Regarding border controls in the unlikely event of a "yes" vote-can Hadrian's Wall be rebuilt?

The schengen agreement that Scotland would have to sign to get back into the EU, will force us to police the border like no other, all the people currently stuck in Calais will pour into Scotland meaning we will need a physical barrier between England and Scotland.

[marshalla]

Wills2 said:

The schengen agreement that Scotland would have to sign to get back into the EU, will force us to police the border like no other, all the people currently stuck in Calais will pour into Scotland meaning we will need a physical barrier between England and Scotland.

How will they get there ? AFAIK there are currently no regular road, rail or sea links between Scotland and the mainland, except via England.

[McWigglebum4th]

Wills2 said:

Langweilig said:

From the Belfast Telegraph

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/scotland-in...

Regarding border controls in the unlikely event of a "yes" vote-can Hadrian's Wall be rebuilt?

The schengen agreement that Scotland would have to sign to get back into the EU, will force us to police the border like no other, all the people currently stuck in Calais will pour into Scotland meaning we will need a physical barrier between England and Scotland.

i think scotland will be allowed to skip schengen

But it will cost us in other areas

[liller]

My annoyances from today:

1. Dame Vivian Westwood declaring that she hates England
2. People pro-yes banging on about how they want 'democracy' What do they have now if it's not a democracy?

[Moonhawk]

liller said:

1. Dame Vivian Westwood declaring that she hates England

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/511265/Vivienne-W...

“I like Scotland because somehow I think they are better than we are. They are more democratic.”

[worsy]

liller said:

My annoyances from today:

1. Dame Vivian Westwood declaring that she hates England
2. People pro-yes banging on about how they want 'democracy' What do they have now if it's not a democracy?

In context

[liller]

or, according to the Metro:

Vivienne wrapped herself in a Scottish flag following her Red Label fashion show, which featured suits, pinstripes and statement draping aplenty, and told waiting journalists that she ‘hates England’.

[MintyChris]

worsy said:

In context

haha more people friendly. In what way has the current Scottish government been people friendly? Maybe if your a yes voter aye.

Its nationalist government who wants the status quo but with them in complete control. Good one.

[MDMetal]

liller said:

My annoyances from today:

1. Dame Vivian Westwood declaring that she hates England
2. People pro-yes banging on about how they want 'democracy' What do they have now if it's not a democracy?

There does seem to be an overriding sense that democracy means getting what you want and if you can't then complaining that if you look at an area which agrees with your own views you can cry foul of the democracy on the basis that area X isn't represented correctly. This isn't confined to this particular debate it seems to pop up more and more.

[Moonhawk]

liller said:

2. People pro-yes banging on about how they want 'democracy' What do they have now if it's not a democracy?

If they could define what they mean by "democracy" - it might be a start.

We can then examine why they think they don't have it, why they think they have less democracy than others or why they think they will have more of it or a better version of it come independence?

Democracy is about individuals having a say - it's not about getting what you want.

Edited by Moonhawk on Tuesday 16th September 17:48

[mjb1]

I've not held much interest in this until recently (I've never been to Scotland and couldn't live further away and still be in the UK).

However, I've just come to the conclusion that the Yes campaign is all a big bluff. A bit like when your mobile phone contract is up and you call them to ask for a porting code - but you don't really want to leave, just pressure for a better deal. String it out as long as possible, without actually terminating your contract.

The UK govt is falling straight into their hand - putting concessions on the table for a No win. Salmond et al can't really be that stupid to think that independence would improve the quality of life for the average citizen. They know that coming a close second will get them more power within the Union than leaving it entirely.

If it's a no vote they get a bigger bargaining hand and their campaigning goes on. They're not just going to shrug and give up on independence, it'll keep coming up over and over again until they finally go too far and actually get it, then they'll go from hero to zero in about 10 minutes. It's poisoning the whole of the UK, having 2.5m people that hate all the rest.

So for these reasons, as much as I don't actually want the UK to break up, I think it's inevitable at some point in the near future, and I'd rather get the pain over with now.

[worsy]

mjb1 said:

I've not held much interest in this until recently (I've never been to Scotland and couldn't live further away and still be in the UK).

However, I've just come to the conclusion that the Yes campaign is all a big bluff. A bit like when your mobile phone contract is up and you call them to ask for a porting code - but you don't really want to leave, just pressure for a better deal. String it out as long as possible, without actually terminating your contract.

The UK govt is falling straight into their hand - putting concessions on the table for a No win. Salmond et al can't really be that stupid to think that independence would improve the quality of life for the average citizen. They know that coming a close second will get them more power within the Union than leaving it entirely.

If it's a no vote they get a bigger bargaining hand and their campaigning goes on. They're not just going to shrug and give up on independence, it'll keep coming up over and over again until they finally go too far and actually get it, then they'll go from hero to zero in about 10 minutes. It's poisoning the whole of the UK, having 2.5m people that hate all the rest.

So for these reasons, as much as I don't actually want the UK to break up, I think it's inevitable at some point in the near future, and I'd rather get the pain over with now.

This.

Farage just has to state there will be no devo max if UKIP are elected and suddenly his share of the vote will swell considerably. I read an article today that suggests the Conservatives would be mad to win the 2015 election as the next referendum up is the EU one. going to tear the party apart!

[johnnywb]

Can anyone tell me why Croatia still uses the Kuna and not the Euro?

I have a yes supporter using it as an example to show they won't need to use it.

Thanks

[rich1231]

Scotland should be really proud.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2758136/Bo...

[DSLiverpool]

Imagine if England had a vote to tell Scotland to sod off - I don't think they would be as cuddly and warm as the English are being over it.

[anonymous-user]

johnnywb said:

Can anyone tell me why Croatia still uses the Kuna and not the Euro?

I have a yes supporter using it as an example to show they won't need to use it.

Thanks

Because Croatia dont meet the convergence criteria yet. As members of the EU however, they are obliged to join the eurozone but can not do so without first reducing their deficit. Croatia, like many other countries in a similar position, are very keen to adopt the Euro.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatia_and_the_euro

[Starfighter]

johnnywb said:

Can anyone tell me why Croatia still uses the Kuna and not the Euro?

I have a yes supporter using it as an example to show they won't need to use it.

Thanks

Croatia runs the Kuna parallel(ish) to the Euro under its own control. They have plans in place to join the ERM2 in 2016 and need to run that successfully for 2 years before joining the Euro in 2019. This may be delayed due to the overall financial situation in the Euro.

The entry requirement for the EU is to have financial stability and controls in place and a plan to join the Euro. They do not have to join immediately.

[marshalla]

johnnywb said:

Can anyone tell me why Croatia still uses the Kuna and not the Euro?

I have a yes supporter using it as an example to show they won't need to use it.

Thanks

Simply ? The Croatian economy is junk. Worse than the worst of the Euro users.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23118035