Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6
Discussion
Troubleatmill said:
plasticpig said:
Troubleatmill said:
Nothing particularly grim about it. Luxembourg has a standard rate of 15% so much better than the UK's 20%. It's the overall level of taxation that counts. Now... do you think Alex is going to be able to retain 0% for all of that? I'd wager he wouldn't get close.
rich1231 said:
Absolutely shocking, but dont tar us all with the same brush based on some ignorant idiots.
pingu393 said:
Troubleatmill said:
Is there anywhere that tells you what the base rate would be, or is that by negotiation? After all, if Alex manages to negotiate a VAT base rate of 5%, then having no sub-rates wouldn't be such a bad thing.McWigglebum4th said:
Wills2 said:
Langweilig said:
From the Belfast Telegraph
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/scotland-in...
Regarding border controls in the unlikely event of a "yes" vote-can Hadrian's Wall be rebuilt?
The schengen agreement that Scotland would have to sign to get back into the EU, will force us to police the border like no other, all the people currently stuck in Calais will pour into Scotland meaning we will need a physical barrier between England and Scotland. http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/scotland-in...
Regarding border controls in the unlikely event of a "yes" vote-can Hadrian's Wall be rebuilt?
But it will cost us in other areas
They don't need Scotland....
marshalla said:
Wills2 said:
The schengen agreement that Scotland would have to sign to get back into the EU, will force us to police the border like no other, all the people currently stuck in Calais will pour into Scotland meaning we will need a physical barrier between England and Scotland.
How will they get there ? AFAIK there are currently no regular road, rail or sea links between Scotland and the mainland, except via England.Rollin said:
pingu393 said:
alock said:
Troubleatmill said:
alock said:
Is this true? Are new EU members required to have VAT on everything?
Google it yourself. Start with. SCOTLAND EU VAT CHILDREN CLOTHES
Read the articles. The EU has made this point very clear.
Only the UK and ROI have managed to negotiate zero rates of vat.
Prices in iScotland are going up.
I suppose it's the first time I've realised how easy it is to miss something so important and am therefore assuming many voters will be basing their decision on partial information without realising.
If this is the case and EU membership requires a flat rate of VAT, children's clothes are the least of your worries.
Food is zero-rated, domestic fuel is rated at 5%. Other than your mortgage, the two biggest cost-drivers of most people's personal budget will go up in price.
My heart says YES, my head says NO.
I'd like a NO decision, see what Westminster comes up with and choose again in 25 years time. Perhaps the YES campaign can produce enough reasons for my head to say YES by then.
Please vote yes this time then.
marshalla said:
Wills2 said:
The schengen agreement that Scotland would have to sign to get back into the EU, will force us to police the border like no other, all the people currently stuck in Calais will pour into Scotland meaning we will need a physical barrier between England and Scotland.
How will they get there ? AFAIK there are currently no regular road, rail or sea links between Scotland and the mainland, except via England.Calais would become a ghost town as all the
Do you think the Belgians would stop them boarding the ferry? Do you think the Scots would stop them heading straight down the M74 to London?
No? Me neither.
HD Adam said:
marshalla said:
Wills2 said:
The schengen agreement that Scotland would have to sign to get back into the EU, will force us to police the border like no other, all the people currently stuck in Calais will pour into Scotland meaning we will need a physical barrier between England and Scotland.
How will they get there ? AFAIK there are currently no regular road, rail or sea links between Scotland and the mainland, except via England.Calais would become a ghost town as all the
Do you think the Belgians would stop them boarding the ferry? Do you think the Scots would stop them heading straight down the M74 to London?
No? Me neither.
SNP immigration policy is very different rUK
A genuine question for any Scottish residents and voters.
Regardless of whether the decision on Friday morning is Yes or No, how much damage do you think has been caused to Scotland's reputation, brands, products, tourism and industry by the conduct of the Yes campaign and in particular the very obvious anti-English sentiments that however commonplace or rare quite naturally have received a lot of press within your largest neighbour and trading partner?
Regardless of whether the decision on Friday morning is Yes or No, how much damage do you think has been caused to Scotland's reputation, brands, products, tourism and industry by the conduct of the Yes campaign and in particular the very obvious anti-English sentiments that however commonplace or rare quite naturally have received a lot of press within your largest neighbour and trading partner?
UNITED KINGDOM
− Supplies of books, newspapers, periodicals, sheet music, maps, etc.
− Supplies of food products for human or animal consumption, except for supplies of pre-cooked dishes
and certain highly processed products such as ice-cream, chocolates, manufactured beverages or
beverages subject to excise duty and pet foods
− Supplies of seeds or other means of propagation of plants classified under the above paragraph
− Supplies of live animals of a type generally used as, or yielding or producing, food for human
consumption
− Supplies of water other than water for enterprises, distilled or mineral water
− Supplies of pharmaceuticals, medicines only where prescribed
− Supplies of medical and surgical instruments, aids only to handicapped persons (excluding hearing
aids, dental prostheses, spectacles, etc.)
− Supplies of children’s clothing and footwear
− Construction of buildings for residential purposes; approved alterations to listed buildings
− Supplies of certain materials by a person supplying the above-mentioned services, excluding
maintenance and repair work
− Supplies for and by charity organisations of goods donated with a view to being sold
− Supplies of magnetic tape and tape recorders , etc. to the Royal National Institute for the Blind
− Supplies to a charity organisation of radio receivers for free loan to blind persons
− Sewage services
− The transport of passengers in any vehicle, vessel or aircraft carrying at least 12 passengers; or by
the Post Office; or by any scheduled service
− The transport of passengers or freight from or to a place outside the United Kingdom
− Supplies of certain caravans and houseboats
− Supplies of boots and helmets for industrial use
− Supplies of motor-cycle and cycle helmets
− The issue of bank notes
All the things above are zero-rated at the moment. This has been very educational to me. I just said to my missus that I am very impressed at the negotiation skills of those who got the EU to agree to all this. I doubt that Alex will get anywhere close.
Some very interesting ones on the list.
Just one...
Transport in and out of the UK. This will mean that all Scottish ferries to Ireland will cost 15% more than the Northern Irish equivalent (assuming Alex negotiates the minimum base rate of 15% VAT). So all the Scottish-based ferry operators on the route will base themselves in NI. It won't make any difference to UK taxes, but it will make a hole in Alex's sums.
− Supplies of books, newspapers, periodicals, sheet music, maps, etc.
− Supplies of food products for human or animal consumption, except for supplies of pre-cooked dishes
and certain highly processed products such as ice-cream, chocolates, manufactured beverages or
beverages subject to excise duty and pet foods
− Supplies of seeds or other means of propagation of plants classified under the above paragraph
− Supplies of live animals of a type generally used as, or yielding or producing, food for human
consumption
− Supplies of water other than water for enterprises, distilled or mineral water
− Supplies of pharmaceuticals, medicines only where prescribed
− Supplies of medical and surgical instruments, aids only to handicapped persons (excluding hearing
aids, dental prostheses, spectacles, etc.)
− Supplies of children’s clothing and footwear
− Construction of buildings for residential purposes; approved alterations to listed buildings
− Supplies of certain materials by a person supplying the above-mentioned services, excluding
maintenance and repair work
− Supplies for and by charity organisations of goods donated with a view to being sold
− Supplies of magnetic tape and tape recorders , etc. to the Royal National Institute for the Blind
− Supplies to a charity organisation of radio receivers for free loan to blind persons
− Sewage services
− The transport of passengers in any vehicle, vessel or aircraft carrying at least 12 passengers; or by
the Post Office; or by any scheduled service
− The transport of passengers or freight from or to a place outside the United Kingdom
− Supplies of certain caravans and houseboats
− Supplies of boots and helmets for industrial use
− Supplies of motor-cycle and cycle helmets
− The issue of bank notes
All the things above are zero-rated at the moment. This has been very educational to me. I just said to my missus that I am very impressed at the negotiation skills of those who got the EU to agree to all this. I doubt that Alex will get anywhere close.
Some very interesting ones on the list.
Just one...
Transport in and out of the UK. This will mean that all Scottish ferries to Ireland will cost 15% more than the Northern Irish equivalent (assuming Alex negotiates the minimum base rate of 15% VAT). So all the Scottish-based ferry operators on the route will base themselves in NI. It won't make any difference to UK taxes, but it will make a hole in Alex's sums.
The troubling thing for me is that having watched hours of this over the last few weeks and months, I get the overwhelming impression that the Yes voters are voting because they think it's going to be the land of milk and honey when in fact the road to independence following a Yes vote would, by any sensible measure be a difficult one.
Not one that couldn't be travelled but one that would exact a toll on Scotland and its people in the short to medium term, independence always carries a price tag after all.
I wouldn't mind so much if Salmond told the truth and the Yes voters publically excepted this and still wanted out, but he doesn't and they don't seem to realise this.
I fear it could all end in tears for them, I also don't agree with the offer we made them this week if they vote no.
Not one that couldn't be travelled but one that would exact a toll on Scotland and its people in the short to medium term, independence always carries a price tag after all.
I wouldn't mind so much if Salmond told the truth and the Yes voters publically excepted this and still wanted out, but he doesn't and they don't seem to realise this.
I fear it could all end in tears for them, I also don't agree with the offer we made them this week if they vote no.
E24man said:
A genuine question for any Scottish residents and voters.
Regardless of whether the decision on Friday morning is Yes or No, how much damage do you think has been caused to Scotland's reputation, brands, products, tourism and industry by the conduct of the Yes campaign and in particular the very obvious anti-English sentiments that however commonplace or rare quite naturally have received a lot of press within your largest neighbour and trading partner?
I never thought I would ever say this but I now feeling ashamed to be Scottish & I lay that blame at the feet of those vile yes campaigners, if it is a yes then I am out and will be relocating within 12 months. If it is a no I will see how it pans out but I feel it may be like Ireland in the 80's. Either way it will not be the same for a very long time, YES has stirred up a lot of hatred and I do not use that word lightly Regardless of whether the decision on Friday morning is Yes or No, how much damage do you think has been caused to Scotland's reputation, brands, products, tourism and industry by the conduct of the Yes campaign and in particular the very obvious anti-English sentiments that however commonplace or rare quite naturally have received a lot of press within your largest neighbour and trading partner?
HD Adam said:
And except via the Rosyth-Zeebrugge ferry http://www.aferry.co.uk/rosyth-zeebrugge-ferry.htm
Calais would become a ghost town as all theEconomic Migrants Asylum Seekers head to Belgium where they are straight onto the ferry to Dunfermline.
Do you think the Belgians would stop them boarding the ferry? Do you think the Scots would stop them heading straight down the M74 to London?
No? Me neither.
Calais would become a ghost town as all the
Do you think the Belgians would stop them boarding the ferry? Do you think the Scots would stop them heading straight down the M74 to London?
No? Me neither.
website that you linked to said:
Sorry this route is not in operation any more. For alternatives, see our ferries to Holland and our ferries to Belgium pages.
The Rosyth "superferry" stopped operating a few years ago. It was being undercut by Newcastle & Hull. There is NO direct link from Scotland to mainland Europe except through England or by air.Would there need to be a direct link ? Only if Scotland becomes a full EU member and part of Schengen, IMHO. Otherwise travellers are going to have to deal with border controls all the time.
hole.
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