Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6

[Welshbeef]

Only 1 more day of campaigning then the vote.


Was very impressed with Brown on the BBC 9pm tonight - never thought I'd say that. A powerhouse

[swamp]

It gives me no pleasure to say this, but...

Tony Blair in charge of Better Together, less the Iraq War disaster, would have run rings around Salmond. He would have found the right words to keep the Union intact. Unfortunately he's poison.

[Murph7355]

Welshbeef said:

Only 1 more day of campaigning then the vote.


Was very impressed with Brown on the BBC 9pm tonight - never thought I'd say that. A powerhouse

I turned it off when he started listing all the things he believed the majority of Scots want. UK pensions, UK welfare state, UK defence. Yup, just about figures....

I hope every one of our politicians laying bribes for a No vote lives to regret it.

[Ug_lee]

Alpacaman said:

E24man said:

A genuine question for any Scottish residents and voters.

Regardless of whether the decision on Friday morning is Yes or No, how much damage do you think has been caused to Scotland's reputation, brands, products, tourism and industry by the conduct of the Yes campaign and in particular the very obvious anti-English sentiments that however commonplace or rare quite naturally have received a lot of press within your largest neighbour and trading partner?

I am a Scottish resident, though I am currently seriously rethinking that. I have said from the start whatever else this referendum has done, it has seriously damaged Scotlands reputation. I was aware before I moved here that a small number of Scots hate the English, but after years of visiting I knew most didn't. But this vote has stirred up something truly revolting which I am not sure will change whatever the result. Divisions have been created which didn't exist before and it is going to take something huge to fix that, and politicians promising all sorts if it is a no will just increase the feeling that the Scots are getting a great deal yet still moan about it.

I know I joked the other day about the yestapo, but it really does feel like something quite sinister, the threats, the anger, journalists being targeted for telling the truth, the lack of democracy at Holyrood. It is scary to imagine life here as an English no voter if Scotland does become independent.

Alex Salmond has a huge amount to answer for.

As a resident in Scotland too, your comments sum up perfectly how I feel about it all.

It's the social aspect of it all that has worried me the most. I'm from Bradford, I left because of all the division and the problems associated with it. Now it appears its not much better here!

[Wills2]

I loved the way Salmond brushed aside the notion that an independent Scotland would be foreign nation, you've got to laugh.

[confused_buyer]

fluffnik said:

Hungary is still using the Forint too...

Could be because it is a quasi one party state with a very iffy democratic setup which is more likely to be chucked out of the EU than join anything further.

If Hungary applied to join as it is now it would be highly unlikely to even be a candidate country.

[vonuber]

confused_buyer said:

Could be because it is a quasi one party state with a very iffy democratic setup which is more likely to be chucked out of the EU than join anything further.

Enough of post yes-vote Scotland, what about Hungary?

[fluffnik]

E24man said:

Thank you for answering the 'in particular' bit. Care to answer the
Regardless of whether the decision on Friday morning is Yes or No, how much damage do you think has been caused to Scotland's reputation, brands, products, tourism and industry by the conduct of the Yes campaign?

None.

I don't think the knocking No campaign has helped though.

There was an NUJ rep on the radio earlier, he was blaming Better Together for most of the intimidation of journalists, including the only incidents worthy of a police report.

Take a look at photos of the campaign, you may notice that the Yessers tend to be happy and smiling, the Naws all pointy and shouty...

[fluffnik]

Wills2 said:

I loved the way Salmond brushed aside the notion that an independent Scotland would be foreign nation, you've got to laugh.

It's won't be, it's the rUK that'll be the foreign land!

[davepoth]

fluffnik said:

There was an NUJ rep on the radio earlier, he was blaming Better Together for most of the intimidation of journalists, including the only incidents worthy of a police report.

What station, what time?

[Borghetto]

I do not buy anything from Scotland, nor shall I in the future. I noticed Campbell's soups were being heavilly discounted in Waitrose today, are English consumers starting to react. Slum landlords like Fluff feel they are insulated against any backlash, but I expect as the Edinburgh Nazis run out of other peoples money to spend, he'll find his gravy train comes to an abrubt halt - good, he can stew with the other nationalist fools.

[Wombat3]

fluffnik said:

E24man said:

Thank you for answering the 'in particular' bit. Care to answer the
Regardless of whether the decision on Friday morning is Yes or No, how much damage do you think has been caused to Scotland's reputation, brands, products, tourism and industry by the conduct of the Yes campaign?

None.

I don't think the knocking No campaign has helped though.

There was an NUJ rep on the radio earlier, he was blaming Better Together for most of the intimidation of journalists, including the only incidents worthy of a police report.

Take a look at photos of the campaign, you may notice that the Yessers tend to be happy and smiling, the Naws all pointy and shouty...

You are as deluded as ever. Lets come back to this in about a year & see how next year's summer tourist season works out.

As to the rest of it, I would refer you to the tts heckling Jim Murphy in the street for your "happy yessers" - its all over You Tube.

Nasty vitriolic s is more like it.

[fluffnik]

davepoth said:

What station, what time?

Radio 4, maybe 8 or 9ish, playing in the background.

I only really caught the last week bit where he said the only two instances where a police complaint was being considered were down to BT.

[MintyChris]

fluffnik said:

None.

I don't think the knocking No campaign has helped though.

There was an NUJ rep on the radio earlier, he was blaming Better Together for most of the intimidation of journalists, including the only incidents worthy of a police report.

Take a look at photos of the campaign, you may notice that the Yessers tend to be happy and smiling, the Naws all pointy and shouty...

Ha I'm a Scot living in Scotland and you my friend are either a) a liar b) delusional or c) both.

It is extremely obvious and well documented that the yes campaign has been aggressive, abusive, rude, intimidating, bigoted...the list goes on. It is a hateful campaign.

Now this may be a minority but it is wide spread compared to the no side. Any denial of this is an insult.

[Phugoid]

Borghetto said:

I do not buy anything from Scotland, nor shall I in the future. I noticed Campbell's soups were being heavilly discounted in Waitrose today, are English consumers starting to react. Slum landlords like Fluff feel they are insulated against any backlash, but I expect as the Edinburgh Nazis run out of other peoples money to spend, he'll find his gravy train comes to an abrubt halt - good, he can stew with the other nationalist fools.

Hilarious post, thanks.

You realise Campbell soups are American, right?

[lamboman100]

MintyChris said:

fluffnik said:

None.

I don't think the knocking No campaign has helped though.

There was an NUJ rep on the radio earlier, he was blaming Better Together for most of the intimidation of journalists, including the only incidents worthy of a police report.

Take a look at photos of the campaign, you may notice that the Yessers tend to be happy and smiling, the Naws all pointy and shouty...

Ha I'm a Scot living in Scotland and you my friend are either a) a liar b) delusional or c) both.

It is extremely obvious and well documented that the yes campaign has been aggressive, abusive, rude, intimidating, bigoted...the list goes on. It is a hateful campaign.

Now this may be a minority but it is wide spread compared to the no side. Any denial of this is an insult.

Surprised the "Yes" camp has not been criticised more for its Anglophobic, separatist and violent actions.

Some label it the Seriously Nasty Party (SNP).

Scarily similar to the Bloody Nasty Party (BNP).

The BNP is Europhobic, separatist and violent.

Scottish extremism is as unpleasant as British extremism

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2758514/Th...

[Hedgesnottwigs]

I watched David Dimblebys programme tonight with interest. The whole of my surviving family are scottish and I was born in England. I totally disagree with the concept of Scottish independence, this is a country, should it vote yes, that would be voting for a slow suicide. They are relying on Alec Salmond, a guy with a poor track record of running anything he's accountable for, and zero track record for running a nation.

Scotland's public expenditure per capita is the highest IN THE WORLD - how the hell you think you will survive challenges of running its own affairs, even the most bullish of economist's predictions.

I really hope Scotland understands this potentially mortal risk. Alec Salmond is a menace trying to enhance his egotistical political legacy.

Edited by Hedgesnottwigs on Wednesday 17th September 02:04

[LeftmostAardvark]

I really feel, that this may be the tipping point for some major political action by the English - social media engineered withholding of a proportion of their tax that relates to the Scottish contribution for instance or major boycotting campaigns, it feels (anecdotally), that there is sufficient anger to actually do something (rather than just moan about it) about the way that the yes campaigners have behaved.

Edit: I think the way the politicians have tripped over themselves to offer additional incentives to try and sway the vote as it gets close will be damaging too - they may have skated right on the edge / stomped all over their constitutional powers

Edited by LeftmostAardvark on Wednesday 17th September 05:11

[Godalmighty83]

At this point it doesn't matter which way the vote goes it will only be more suffering for England. Either the union falls apart and we face the repercussions or it stays together and we pay through the nose for the scots preferential treatment.

[Foppo]

Godalmighty83 said:

At this point it doesn't matter which way the vote goes it will only be more suffering for England. Either the union falls apart and we face the repercussions or it stays together and we pay through the nose for the scots preferential treatment.

Good point,best for the Scots and England that the vote is yes for independence.