Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6
Discussion
FiF said:
Rude-boy said:
Whilst I am not sure about the first part of your post I am full in agreement with the second part.
I am an Englishman, living in England. About the only Scottish thing about me is my surname.
Though out my life I have never had any animosity towards anyone from another Country, other than a select few who have earned it personally! Yes I have often enjoyed a good few Englishman, Irishman and a Scot jokes over the years and general ribbing here and there but nothing with any malice. On the receiving end I have often enjoyed good hospitality from the Scots I have met when up there and only during Euro'96 did I ever see anything distasteful or suggestive of anti-English sentiment.
I started out hoping for a No vote. I like the Union and wanted Scotland to remain part of it, but not and never at all costs.
I feel that the behaviour of some Scots, mainly but not exclusively, on the Yes side has been appalling.
I feel that Salmond and his supporters have lied their way though the last few months on some very important topics and when seen to be losing have cried bias.
I feel that our Westminster politicians have gone beyond their mandate in what they have offered to Scotland should it vote No, and worse even David Blunkett can see what will happen in the event of a No vote and a backtrack.
So here I am on the Wednesday before the vote, a firm No, turning to an "actually guys, please vote Yes, because if you don't I can see a backlash of epic proportions."
It would not surprise me, in the event of a No vote, to see a campaign starting for an Independent England, possibly even an independent England and Wales. I'm not entirely sure that I will not join in with that.
A post which sums up my views. I am an Englishman, living in England. About the only Scottish thing about me is my surname.
Though out my life I have never had any animosity towards anyone from another Country, other than a select few who have earned it personally! Yes I have often enjoyed a good few Englishman, Irishman and a Scot jokes over the years and general ribbing here and there but nothing with any malice. On the receiving end I have often enjoyed good hospitality from the Scots I have met when up there and only during Euro'96 did I ever see anything distasteful or suggestive of anti-English sentiment.
I started out hoping for a No vote. I like the Union and wanted Scotland to remain part of it, but not and never at all costs.
I feel that the behaviour of some Scots, mainly but not exclusively, on the Yes side has been appalling.
I feel that Salmond and his supporters have lied their way though the last few months on some very important topics and when seen to be losing have cried bias.
I feel that our Westminster politicians have gone beyond their mandate in what they have offered to Scotland should it vote No, and worse even David Blunkett can see what will happen in the event of a No vote and a backtrack.
So here I am on the Wednesday before the vote, a firm No, turning to an "actually guys, please vote Yes, because if you don't I can see a backlash of epic proportions."
It would not surprise me, in the event of a No vote, to see a campaign starting for an Independent England, possibly even an independent England and Wales. I'm not entirely sure that I will not join in with that.
Have kept out of the independence threads for largely selfish reasons. I have been apalled at how the debate has gone and has surpassed what expected.
Yes I expected the nationalists to behave like this as I have experienced their hatred of who they think is English.
The first time experienced was as a school boy in the 60s and wandered into the local shop in St Fillans to see if I could get my hands on a copy of Motoring News. The shopkeeper was just plain funking rude and uncooperative.
Until I then did a transaction at the Post Office counter and he sussed out my Scottish name. There was a Motoring News there waiting for me a few days later.
Personally my hope for a no vote is disappearing fast, probably disappeared. If it is a no vote don't want it to be close but crushing defeat for the liar Salmond.
I was all for Union as I feel the United Kingdom is stronger in an increasingly competitive world through unity, but the more I see the repressed hatred of the English coming out into the open, the more I think to myself "f
k 'em. If they hate us so much and want a divorce, let them have it and good luck to them". I only hope that in the of separation, the rUK government doesn't roll over. Even if there is a "No" vote, the damage done cannot be undone, so I would have to think seriously if someone offered me the opportunity to vote for an independent England (and Wales).As far as I'm concerned, once you tell your partner it's over, it's over.
dcb said:
Interesting to note that most of Alex Salmond's views
seem to be very socialist i.e. lots of talk about what
nice things to spend money on and very very little about
how it's all going to be paid for.
For me, I am happy for the Scots to paddle their own canoe.
That would mean that we wouldn't need the Barnett formula anymore,
so a lot more money could stay south of Berwick.
There was a lot of talk about the Nordic model early in the campaign. seem to be very socialist i.e. lots of talk about what
nice things to spend money on and very very little about
how it's all going to be paid for.
For me, I am happy for the Scots to paddle their own canoe.
That would mean that we wouldn't need the Barnett formula anymore,
so a lot more money could stay south of Berwick.
Don1 said:
confused_buyer said:
Don1 said:
Web-based content wouldn't be affected.
Actually, it would. iPlayer is not officially available outside the UK (yes, I know people do access it using proxies).barryrs said:
Don1 said:
confused_buyer said:
Don1 said:
Web-based content wouldn't be affected.
Actually, it would. iPlayer is not officially available outside the UK (yes, I know people do access it using proxies).Salmond's EU "talks" lies exposed: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-in...
Can't imagine any mainstream political campaign in a democratic country has lied like the SNP.
Can't imagine any mainstream political campaign in a democratic country has lied like the SNP.
NomduJour said:
juice said:
Just wondering....in the event of a Yes vote could Shetland & Orkey choose to remain part of the union, separate from iScotland ?
The SNP will not countenance such treachery and say that they're too small to have a say post-independence.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9156220/S...
ash73 said:
NomduJour said:
Scotland won't get into the EU
Of course it will, people just can't differentiate between short-term posturing as a prelude to negotiation versus a long-term strategic decision.ash73 said:
NomduJour said:
Scotland won't get into the EU
Of course it will, people just can't differentiate between short-term posturing as a prelude to negotiation versus a long-term strategic decision.He was on the radio this morning preaching how the EU would bend over backwards to get Scotland in.
Scotland wouldn't need the EU if Salmond was so sure about his claims about the Scottish economy.
ash73 said:
Stop believing what the tory papers tell you and think for yourself, nobody will veto anything it's a negotiation.
No one needs to veto anything. All they need to do is insist that the rules are followed properly and it will delay it for years.Rajoy did not say this morning Spain would veto anything. He just said that Scotland would have to follow the same rules and procedures as every other entrant.
That means there has to be a procedure, Scotland needs to qualify as having a Central Bank, Currency etc. and it has to accept the same terms as any other new entrant has had to.
ash73 said:
Stop believing what the tory papers tell you and think for yourself, nobody will veto anything it's a negotiation.
Get real, there's no chance on this planet that Spain will vote for an independent Scotland. Nor Belgium and unlikely Italy or France. Even the EU themselves are totally against it.
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