Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6

[HenryJM]

grand cherokee said:

some sources suggest that the SNP would be prepared to let Faslane remain in a 'trade off' to currency union?

other sources suggest that if Faslane had to move then the USA would help with associated costs/logistics?

And people with any knowledge of the process will realise that it doesn't really matter what the SNP is prepared to do.

The terms of independence would be decided by Westminster, with no legislation through that body there is no independence.

[marshalla]

Don't know if this has been linked here or not, but it's an interesting tale : http://wakeupscotland.wordpress.com/2014/09/15/ewa...

[Silverbullet767]

thismonkeyhere said:

Ok, so I have just seen my first picture of Nicola Sturgeon.

Who looks exactly like Rab C Nesbitt's wife.

Salmond undeniably looks very like Rab C nesbitt himself.

Which leads me to ask:

Are we quite sure that this whole thing isn't just a spoof that has got out of hand?

Impossible, Nicola Sturgeon and Elaine C Smith were in the same room during one of the TV debates. Never seen Alex Salmond and Gregor Fisher in the same room though....

[Edinburger]

IainT said:

It'd practically guarantee Yes as the outcome. A lot of people I've talked to now have a view along the lines of "If they [Scots] hate us [English] so much they can fk off". Sadly the vicious and vociferous Yes campaign has massively damaged the relationship.

I know it's a nasty minority who are using this as an anti-English platform but I'm now at the point I'd rather see Scotland floated off somewhere. There's no way I want to see any further favours in Scotland's direction in the event of No and I want my politicians to bargain extremely hard in the event of Yes.

Bloody hell.

It's the eve of the referendum and people on here STILL think it's all about hatred of the English.

Read my words - for the overwhelming majority in Scotland thus is NOT about hating the English.

Words fail me.

[Piersman2]

Big Rod said:

Einion Yrth said:

Big Rod said:

There're some nice and affordable properties in rural North Yorkshire and County Durham so at least we're agreed on where we'll look

If you're forced out by the Yestapo you could do a lot worse than those areas.

Yea, I''d never really considered them before but I do remember driving through Barnard Castle one time a few years ago due to having to detour because of an accident on another road and thinking, 'I could live here.'

The experience was painful but at least my Wife's eyes are opened to the potential to move, and it was her that started looking.

There are expenses associated with moving out of iScotland, you'll have to consider the cost of starting to buy sun tan lotion for starters, but can maybe offset that against macs and unbrellas.

I personally would welcome anyone from iScotland moving to rUK, they would be the reasonable ones I've mentioned before, not the chippies*.

• Chippies refers to those Scots with the big anti-english chip on each shoulder.

[General Price]

Edinburger said:

IainT said:

It'd practically guarantee Yes as the outcome. A lot of people I've talked to now have a view along the lines of "If they [Scots] hate us [English] so much they can fk off". Sadly the vicious and vociferous Yes campaign has massively damaged the relationship.

I know it's a nasty minority who are using this as an anti-English platform but I'm now at the point I'd rather see Scotland floated off somewhere. There's no way I want to see any further favours in Scotland's direction in the event of No and I want my politicians to bargain extremely hard in the event of Yes.

Bloody hell.

It's the eve of the referendum and people on here STILL think it's all about hatred of the English.

Read my words - for the overwhelming majority in Scotland thus is NOT about hating the English.

Words fail me.

Unfortunately for the noisiest minority,it is.

[barryrs]

I can imagine a situation where a CU is agreed.

Faslane staying put and Scotland handing over economic sovereignty to the BOE as an example. This obviously fly's in the face of independence however i suspect these are terms Salmond would agree to with the population not really noticing.

Of course the other option being Sterlingisation but even Salmond admitted recently that he hadnt accounted for the £20 billion (IIRC) reserves the BOE would require from the Scottish Government.

[Rovinghawk]

barryrs said:

even Salmond admitted recently that he hadnt accounted for the £20 billion (IIRC) reserves the BOE would require from the Scottish Government.

Surely the Scottish oil will cover this as well?

[mi1ne]

that article is spot on.

edit: this one. http://wakeupscotland.wordpress.com/2014/09/15/ewa...

[julian64]

Anyone know what would happen to university education. Both scots in english univeristies and the other way round?

[voyds9]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2751296/En...

looks like MP's don't want to give away the family silver.

[Piersman2]

Edinburger said:

Bloody hell.

It's the eve of the referendum and people on here STILL think it's all about hatred of the English.

Read my words - for the overwhelming majority in Scotland thus is NOT about hating the English.

Words fail me.

For you, you may be right. But the indoctrinated, conditioned historical based distrust of the English has given the Yessers a great platform on which to bind in at least 50% of the population.

[motco]

A few years ago I almost sold up my modest 3 bed house in Buckinghamshire to buy a magnificent Victorian granite villa with massive rooms, four bedrooms, box room, and a maid's quarters on the hillside overlooking the estuary of the river Cree, and standing in its own grounds of about an acre. The price? about 65% of the expected yield from my sale.

The reason I didn't was entirely due to family influences; too far to visit, etc. Oh boy am I glad I didn't buy it!

[rossmc88]

At the last election, the SNP got 44% of a 50% turn out. Does this not mean that only just over a quarter of the population want the SNP, which isn't very much in the grand scheme of things. Tomorrow the English will see that the majority of Scottish people don't want independence and we are too scared to speak out against the angry and noisy minority of nationalists. The reporting of 50-50 polls is just sensationalism from the media.

Edited by rossmc88 on Wednesday 17th September 14:36

[sherbertdip]

grand cherokee said:

OpulentBob said:

chrisispringles said:

Looking forwards to a post-Yes Scotland, if what we are seeing now is even remotely representitive of an independent Scotland then it is very clear that I am not welcome in it. With yessers saying that no voters should be strung up, or brought to account for their treachery then it is very clear that as an English born No voter, I would be the lowest of the low as far as they are concerned and I am not prepared to live in a country where I am seen as scum, or a quisling, or a traitor. I leave university at the end of the year with a law degree from an English uni. If it's yes, I'm not coming back and I don't think my family will stay long either. I can see no future for myself in the independent Scotland put forward by the SNP.

Very sad reading.

and so true in my experience over fifteen years ago before any talk of a devolution vote

some sections of Scotland hate the English in any way shape or form

only now its truly coming to light

I can back this up working at Coulport and Faslane from 84-92 and a gain 99-01, being English and a manager of many locals, some of which were nothing more than drunken scum believing the English were nothing more than oppressive devils (being very polite here). The hatred of the English was then at times frankly scary, even in an area with a high proportion of English, and this on a daily basis.

One time i went on a night out in Glasgow with my work colleagues, yes most were nice, we went into a pub where i was advised outside to keep my mouth shut,if i opened it then I would without question be glassed on the spot and taken out for a good seein' to!

The last straw was when my youngset son who had just started school at 5 years old had to be brought home because two 9 year olds beat him up because he was English bd.

I cannot even comprehend the atmosphere that must pervade all facets of life at the moment not just for the English in Scotland, but NO supporters in general.

[Funk]

Asterix said:

ash73 said:

NomduJour said:

Scotland won't get into the EU

Of course it will, people just can't differentiate between short-term posturing as a prelude to negotiation versus a long-term strategic decision.

What currency will it use until it can adopt the Euro, if it is even allowed to join? If it's Sterling then it will get crucified by the BoE and Westminster.

Using Sterling means no EU membership.

EU membership requires a country to have its own currency and central bank behind it. Under 'Sterlingisation', Scotland will have neither and as such will not meet the entry criteria. Scotland would need its own currency, a central bank and significant reserves in order to qualify.

[deadslow]

Piersman2 said:

Edinburger said:

Bloody hell.

It's the eve of the referendum and people on here STILL think it's all about hatred of the English.

Read my words - for the overwhelming majority in Scotland thus is NOT about hating the English.

Words fail me.

For you, you may be right. But the indoctrinated, conditioned historical based distrust of the English has given the Yessers a great platform on which to bind in at least 50% of the population.

total gash

[Rude-boy]

grand cherokee said:

KTF said:

Faslane, I imagine, will just be fenced off and declared part of rUK as per the base on Cyprus. Cheaper than attempting to move everything.

some sources suggest that the SNP would be prepared to let Faslane remain in a 'trade off' to currency union?

other sources suggest that if Faslane had to move then the USA would help with associated costs/logistics?

Nar,

Referendum of the residents of Faslane as to if they want to be rUK of iScotland. Let's face it iScotland is hardly going to invade using the rest of their armed forces currently stationed there - Jim and Iain with a pair of viciously sharp cabers...

[marshalla]

julian64 said:

Anyone know what would happen to university education. Both scots in english universities and the other way round?

Presumably the Scottish universities will no longer qualify for research council or EU research funding, so will be unable to function without a cash injection from somewhere else, or will degenerate into pure teaching establishments. Chances are that most of the staff are "No" voters anyway, so likely to move pretty quickly for fear of being found out resulting in a general lowering of standards.

A non-EU Scotland would not qualify for the reduced fees for EU students, so students from Scotland in rUK would be charged the full international rate and have to comply with international student visa rules.

Student loans system will be interesting - ISTR it's currently based in Scotland so likely to have to move.

[Wombat3]

Edinburger said:

IainT said:

It'd practically guarantee Yes as the outcome. A lot of people I've talked to now have a view along the lines of "If they [Scots] hate us [English] so much they can fk off". Sadly the vicious and vociferous Yes campaign has massively damaged the relationship.

I know it's a nasty minority who are using this as an anti-English platform but I'm now at the point I'd rather see Scotland floated off somewhere. There's no way I want to see any further favours in Scotland's direction in the event of No and I want my politicians to bargain extremely hard in the event of Yes.

Bloody hell.

It's the eve of the referendum and people on here STILL think it's all about hatred of the English.

Read my words - for the overwhelming majority in Scotland thus is NOT about hating the English.

Words fail me.

Of course you can say nothing else on the matter (despite having told us that English Northerners are a bit thick)

However, you can only speak for yourself on that I'm afraid and the evidence is clear as to what many of your fellow Nats think.

The reality is that what has emerged is a far deeper and wider level of hatred for the English than most knew existed. Why else do you think that so many English are now beginning to wake up and comment on this?

As has been pointed out the rifts and divisions (both within Scotland and with the English) that have been opened up by Nationalists are wide and deep and will take a very long time to heal (and some will never heal). Mistrust will remain on both sides for years.

For that, if nothing else, they are weapons-grade, selfish s. It boils down to about 1M tts destabilising the whole country of 60M