Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6
Discussion
Piersman2 said:
There are expenses associated with moving out of iScotland, you'll have to consider the cost of starting to buy sun tan lotion for starters, but can maybe offset that against macs and unbrellas. 
It's ok, I already have the necessary boiler suits and welder's helmets.Piersman2 said:
I personally would welcome anyone from iScotland moving to rUK, they would be the reasonable ones I've mentioned before, not the chippies*.
Thank you, and I promise not to be a burden, I'm completely self sufficient and the majority of my clients have been 'foreign' so I effectively import money.Piersman2 said:
*Chippies refers to those Scots with the big anti-english chip on each shoulder.
Up here, that's called 'well balanced'!rossmc88 said:
At the last election, the SNP got 44% of a 50% turn out. Does this not mean that only just over a quarter of the population want the SNP, which isn't very much in the grand scheme of things.
No, it means 22% voted for them. It doesn't mean 78% voted against.The only tenable extrapolation from the figures would be that those who didn't vote would have done so in the same proportion as those that did vote, ie 44% SNP.
Einion Yrth said:
Big Rod said:
There're some nice and affordable properties in rural North Yorkshire and County Durham so at least we're agreed on where we'll look
If you're forced out by the Yestapo you could do a lot worse than those areas.
rossmc88 said:
At the last election, the SNP got 44% of a 50% turn out. Does this not mean that only just over a quarter of the population want the SNP, which isn't very much in the grand scheme of things. Tomorrow the English will see that the majority of Scottish people don't want independence and we are to scared to speak out against the angry and noisy minority of nationalists. The reporting of 50-50 polls is just sensationalism from the media.
As someone who follows polls, imho there could well be egg on some pollster faces tomorrow. Really not convinced of the 50:50. Yes that's what the returns say and especially if one factors in the experimental error range. One thing you can't factor in is people not giving true answers regarding their voting intention, especially in a hotbed like this.
barryrs said:
I can imagine a situation where a CU is agreed.
Faslane staying put and Scotland handing over economic sovereignty to the BOE as an example. This obviously fly's in the face of independence however i suspect these are terms Salmond would agree to with the population not really noticing.
Of course the other option being Sterlingisation but even Salmond admitted recently that he hadnt accounted for the £20 billion (IIRC) reserves the BOE would require from the Scottish Government.
And on what planet is a situation where a foreign country controls youe currency and interest rates, "independence"?Faslane staying put and Scotland handing over economic sovereignty to the BOE as an example. This obviously fly's in the face of independence however i suspect these are terms Salmond would agree to with the population not really noticing.
Of course the other option being Sterlingisation but even Salmond admitted recently that he hadnt accounted for the £20 billion (IIRC) reserves the BOE would require from the Scottish Government.
If they think that Westminster doesn't consider the needs of their economy now, just wait until they have no influence over policy decisions whatsoever.
The grown up thing to do would be to create their own currency and central bank and suck up the tax rises for the next 10 years. The fact that Salmond ia even mentioning a CU is utterly perverse when campaigning for independence.
marshalla said:
Don't know if this has been linked here or not, but it's an interesting tale : http://wakeupscotland.wordpress.com/2014/09/15/ewa...
Interesting read. Underlines the point I made a few posts up. Governance in a post-Yes independent Scotland will look like an ongoing pub fight. marshalla said:
julian64 said:
Anyone know what would happen to university education. Both scots in english universities and the other way round?
Presumably the Scottish universities will no longer qualify for research council or EU research funding, so will be unable to function without a cash injection from somewhere else, or will degenerate into pure teaching establishments. Chances are that most of the staff are "No" voters anyway, so likely to move pretty quickly for fear of being found out resulting in a general lowering of standards.A non-EU Scotland would not qualify for the reduced fees for EU students, so students from Scotland in rUK would be charged the full international rate and have to comply with international student visa rules.
Student loans system will be interesting - ISTR it's currently based in Scotland so likely to have to move.
However, its not difficult to predict a slow down in the number of English Students wanting to head north and spend £9K a year up there over the next few years and especially if its Yes
Around 4K English Students a year join scots Unis. Most Scots Uni courses are 4 years.
4 x 4,000 x £9,000 = £144M in fee revenue p.a.
Funk said:
Einion Yrth said:
Troubleatmill said:
The problem I have with that is that currency union will likely be the trade off.
I'd rather stump up the cost and move it.
Be cheaper than currency union with a banana republic.I'd rather stump up the cost and move it.
Just fence off a little bit - some British guards, ex pat Brit staff to work on the base - live in the US.
It's not like the Yanks have a shortage of nukes - and want to borrow ours.
Win - win..
Wombat3 said:
Students from England are already charged the full £9K. Miraculaously some of them then seem to remember they have Irish grandparents etc & apply for an Irish passport!
However, its not difficult to predict a slow down in the number of English Students wanting to head north and spend £9K a year up there over the next few years and especially if its Yes
Around 4K English Students a year join scots Unis. Most Scots Uni courses are 4 years.
4 x 4,000 x £9,000 = £144M in fee revenue p.a.
£9k is the reduced fee. Full international rate ranges from £10k p.a. to £30k p.a. depending on course, level and establishment.However, its not difficult to predict a slow down in the number of English Students wanting to head north and spend £9K a year up there over the next few years and especially if its Yes
Around 4K English Students a year join scots Unis. Most Scots Uni courses are 4 years.
4 x 4,000 x £9,000 = £144M in fee revenue p.a.
e.g. http://www.thecompleteuniversityguide.co.uk/univer...
Edinburger said:
IainT said:
It'd practically guarantee Yes as the outcome. A lot of people I've talked to now have a view along the lines of "If they [Scots] hate us [English] so much they can f
k off". Sadly the vicious and vociferous Yes campaign has massively damaged the relationship.
I know it's a nasty minority who are using this as an anti-English platform but I'm now at the point I'd rather see Scotland floated off somewhere. There's no way I want to see any further favours in Scotland's direction in the event of No and I want my politicians to bargain extremely hard in the event of Yes.
Bloody hell. k off". Sadly the vicious and vociferous Yes campaign has massively damaged the relationship.I know it's a nasty minority who are using this as an anti-English platform but I'm now at the point I'd rather see Scotland floated off somewhere. There's no way I want to see any further favours in Scotland's direction in the event of No and I want my politicians to bargain extremely hard in the event of Yes.
It's the eve of the referendum and people on here STILL think it's all about hatred of the English.
Read my words - for the overwhelming majority in Scotland thus is NOT about hating the English.
Words fail me.
What possible good could Scotland achieve by going independent? Off the top of my head, there is a lack of:
- Currency
- Fiscal and political Alignment to EU
- Key infrastructure required to deliver services
- Defence strategy
- Jobs to fund the socialist dream - this will cost a fortune
- People willing to work in those few jobs available - there WILL be fewer high contributors
- Large industry. Make no mistake, we live in a capitalist society. Global Enterprise isn't going to hang around long enough to become nationalised
- Taxation - where are the clearly agreed plans for individual & corporation tax that allow you to make an informed decision on your future contribution to society?
- Currency - where are the solid, agreed plans for currency union with rUK, or Euro adoption?
- Asset value - Someone has a house "worth" £300k tomorrow afternoon. In the event of a Yes, what will it be "worth" on Friday morning - £500k / £100k / £30k / £2.50. Pick a number - at this time, each of those values is equally valid
- Social security - where are the clearly defined and agreed plans for Healthcare / Police / Waste Collection / Dole payments / sickness benefits / housing allowance
- iScotland and rUK's foreign policies. It's all well and good for people to say "I want to give it a go, but if it doesn't work, I'll just get a job in England". Make no mistake, iScotland will be a foreign country. People with a Scottish passport will have no rights to seek work in rUK.
However, the "YES" being offered by the SNP, and being publicised as being the right answer because it is anti-English and anti-Westminster, with such a fundamental lack of consideration to even the basic building blocks of society that it is asking people to vote on is one filled with economic and societal catastrophe.
By all means Scotland, vote yes if you wish to take a leap of faith. I, for one, hope it works for you, but I will not vote for a rUK government that offers an Olive branch in the event of the inevitable collapse of your country.
V88Dicky said:
Rod, you're more than welcome down here in the north east, we could do with an economic shot in the arm, although we're getting there slowly.
I could see some beer in our future! 
Seriously, just took a wee break and the affordable properties available in that area are astounding. I'm wondering why we never thought on it before...
...Oh yeah, we were happy here.
From yesterdays Daily Telegraph...
Betfair is so confident of a "No" vote in Thursday's Scottish independence referendum that it is already paying out to those who have staked money on it.
The online bookmaker says it is paying out a "six-figure sum".
Despite polls ahead of the vote continuing to be close, betting markets have been overwhelmingly in favour of the Better Together camp winning on Thursday.
Betfair said this morning that gambling patterns indicate a 79pc likelihood of a "No" vote.
Despite the odds on "Yes" shortening last week, they have lengthened significantly in the last few days.
Betfair is so confident of a "No" vote in Thursday's Scottish independence referendum that it is already paying out to those who have staked money on it.
The online bookmaker says it is paying out a "six-figure sum".
Despite polls ahead of the vote continuing to be close, betting markets have been overwhelmingly in favour of the Better Together camp winning on Thursday.
Betfair said this morning that gambling patterns indicate a 79pc likelihood of a "No" vote.
Despite the odds on "Yes" shortening last week, they have lengthened significantly in the last few days.
marshalla said:
Wombat3 said:
Students from England are already charged the full £9K. Miraculaously some of them then seem to remember they have Irish grandparents etc & apply for an Irish passport!
However, its not difficult to predict a slow down in the number of English Students wanting to head north and spend £9K a year up there over the next few years and especially if its Yes
Around 4K English Students a year join scots Unis. Most Scots Uni courses are 4 years.
4 x 4,000 x £9,000 = £144M in fee revenue p.a.
£9k is the reduced fee. Full international rate ranges from £10k p.a. to £30k p.a. depending on course, level and establishment.However, its not difficult to predict a slow down in the number of English Students wanting to head north and spend £9K a year up there over the next few years and especially if its Yes
Around 4K English Students a year join scots Unis. Most Scots Uni courses are 4 years.
4 x 4,000 x £9,000 = £144M in fee revenue p.a.
e.g. http://www.thecompleteuniversityguide.co.uk/univer...
Stu78 said:
If an iScotland does get EU membership then by law they will have to offer free University education to members of the EU, including rUK should it still be a member. Of course, Al reckons he'll negotiate a release from this.
Is that before or after he's negotiated keeping his "share" of the UK rebate? 
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