Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6

[Welshbeef]

Wombat3 said:

As above, might be wrong but I think there is a silent majority who will do their business anonymously and that will be that. If its as wide as 60:40 Salmond will look like (even more of) a moron.

Is there a chance lots of Pro NO voters have lied in polls to scare other NO voters to come out in force? Clearly the Yesers wouldn't do that as they need momentum but its a big scare to the Nos so its possible

I would.

[Wombat3]

Welshbeef said:

Wombat3 said:

As above, might be wrong but I think there is a silent majority who will do their business anonymously and that will be that. If its as wide as 60:40 Salmond will look like (even more of) a moron.

Is there a chance lots of Pro NO voters have lied in polls to scare other NO voters to come out in force? Clearly the Yesers wouldn't do that as they need momentum but its a big scare to the Nos so its possible

I would.

We will only know in 9 days.

Join the queue to laugh at the Nationalist tts if it happens though

[Moonhawk]

Welshbeef said:

Is there a chance lots of Pro NO voters have lied in polls to scare other NO voters to come out in force? Clearly the Yesers wouldn't do that as they need momentum but its a big scare to the Nos so its possible

I do wonder if some No voters have lied at the polls out of fear. Looking at some of the abuse celebs endorsing No have suffered - I wouldn't blame them.

Whatever - just over a week to find out. The polls are only indicative and the final vote could swing drastically either way.

[Wombat3]

Moonhawk said:

Welshbeef said:

Is there a chance lots of Pro NO voters have lied in polls to scare other NO voters to come out in force? Clearly the Yesers wouldn't do that as they need momentum but its a big scare to the Nos so its possible

I do wonder if some No voters have lied at the polls out of fear. Looking at some of the abuse celebs endorsing No have suffered - I wouldn't blame them.

Whatever - just over a week to find out. The polls are only indicative and the final vote could swing drastically either way.

And who knows how many told the pollsters "no comment" ?

[davepoth]

Moonhawk said:

Rollin said:

53% No 47% Yes according to Ch4 tweet.

If true - that's exactly the same as the YouGov and Survation polls conducted at the end of August.

And within 1% of the SNP funded Panelbase survey. Working on the assumption that Yes did stuff the last YouGov poll, and wouldn't have wanted to bias their own poll, I think that's probably about where we are now; I'm nervously hopeful.

[Derek Smith]

Lefty said:

Good article in the FT:

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/b5c48254-376e-11e4-bd0a-...

And as for Standard Life and BP, pfft only rich Tories benefit from business and pensions eh?

Excellent article in fact.

[tenpenceshort]

Rumours that the Scottish Sun is going to settle towards pro independence. Might be decisive. I expect Murdoch wants Cameron to stay in power; a Yes vote will help. Gormless Ed and Cameron parading around Scotland will only help the yes vote.

[FisiP1]

Most people who choose to live outside London are made to feel like second class citizens in the UK these days.

Independence is the cowards way out of this, it throws the north of England, Wales, and Northern Ireland under the bus.

The real answer, if we can grow up and see through all of this pseudo-cultural-nationalist rubbish, is to address how catastrophically broken our system of democratic representation is for people across the UK. We need massive UK-wide democratic reforms, not the rhetoric of division and insularity.

[mybrainhurts]

Watching Miliband sweat like a pig in an abattoir makes me feel warm all over.

YES will sink him. Looking good...

[xjsdriver]

mybrainhurts said:

Watching Miliband sweat like a pig in an abattoir makes me feel warm all over.

YES will sink him. Looking good...

Well that's entirely debatable, Cameron looks like he'll be pulling off his own "George III". All his party colleagues will offer their sympathy, making clucking noises about giving him their continued, fullest support, whilst at the same time sharpening all the knives and other assorted cutting and stabbing implements they can get their hands on.

[irocfan]

mybrainhurts said:

Watching Miliband sweat like a pig in an abattoir makes me feel warm all over.

YES will sink him. Looking good...

well that is the one up-side of a 'yes' vote! The problem is though that I suspect a LOT of damage has been done by the vociferous 'yes' bods which will take a LONG time to heal

[confused_buyer]

FisiP1 said:

Most people who choose to live outside London are made to feel like second class citizens in the UK these days.

Independence is the cowards way out of this, it throws the north of England, Wales, and Northern Ireland under the bus.

The real answer, if we can grow up and see through all of this pseudo-cultural-nationalist rubbish, is to address how catastrophically broken our system of democratic representation is for people across the UK. We need massive UK-wide democratic reforms, not the rhetoric of division and insularity.

Yet, if you ask anyone in London, they say London is badly treated for it's very large population and the amount of money it generates and it isn't fair how much it subsidises the rest of the UK.

Basically, if you ask anyone from anywhere everywhere else gets a better deal. This isn't just a UK thing - you'll find the same in France, Spain, Italy etc.

[benjj]

I think YES is actually going to struggle to get much more than 35%, they could be way down from there.

John Major's comments today were very good (other than the first paragraph of political grandstanding) and give an excellent precis of precisely what the Scots would be giving up - I think the NOs will silently and effectively knock this one for six. A 65%+ wouldn't surprise me.

This all before I considered the Scottish Sun chosing a side. That may actually do something.

Interesting times.

[TankRizzo]

V8RX7 said:

Everyone I've spoken to thinks the same - how can anyone make a decision when there are no facts ?

I posted that, and not one of the nats replied to me. Which says it all really.

[Lefty]

Derek Smith said:

Lefty said:

Good article in the FT:

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/b5c48254-376e-11e4-bd0a-...

And as for Standard Life and BP, pfft only rich Tories benefit from business and pensions eh?

Excellent article in fact.

[bodysnatcher]

& so it begins?

Difficulty access my BoS account for the last hour or so.
Was just making sure the balance would be than £100 before Thursday
in now tho, so last few groats off to Mr Barclay

[Welshbeef]

benjj said:

I think YES is actually going to struggle to get much more than 35%, they could be way down from there.

John Major's comments today were very good (other than the first paragraph of political grandstanding) and give an excellent precis of precisely what the Scots would be giving up - I think the NOs will silently and effectively knock this one for six. A 65%+ wouldn't surprise me.

This all before I considered the Scottish Sun chosing a side. That may actually do something.

Interesting times.

I heard this too just reminds you what an excellelent stateman John Major is so sharp and really able to convey his thoughts view to the public. To me he is a real heavy weight Politician

[Twilkes]

Moonhawk said:

The rUK may have no choice than to split assets and liabilities per capita.

Edited by Moonhawk on Wednesday 10th September 18:37

Is oil under the sea an actual asset? If it doesn't appear on a balance sheet somewhere, how would it be split? Or is it oil rights that would have to be split?

[Axionknight]

bodysnatcher said:

& so it begins?

Difficulty access my BoS account for the last hour or so.
Was just making sure the balance would be than £100 before Thursday
in now tho, so last few groats off to Mr Barclay

Mine has gone too, we sent it to my Dad who has distributed it - no chances taken here.

[worsy]

confused_buyer said:

FisiP1 said:

Most people who choose to live outside London are made to feel like second class citizens in the UK these days.

Independence is the cowards way out of this, it throws the north of England, Wales, and Northern Ireland under the bus.

The real answer, if we can grow up and see through all of this pseudo-cultural-nationalist rubbish, is to address how catastrophically broken our system of democratic representation is for people across the UK. We need massive UK-wide democratic reforms, not the rhetoric of division and insularity.

Yet, if you ask anyone in London, they say London is badly treated for it's very large population and the amount of money it generates and it isn't fair how much it subsidises the rest of the UK.

Basically, if you ask anyone from anywhere everywhere else gets a better deal. This isn't just a UK thing - you'll find the same in France, Spain, Italy etc.

The consequence of all those jobs is a strain on resources. If we moved more jobs out then London would also get a better deal.