Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6
Discussion
rovermorris999 said:
ash73 said:
I'm amazed voting isn't done by computer these days, it's 2014 and we're still counting scribbles on scraps of paper; it's like living in the stone age.
Would you really trust a government-run computer voting system? Better lots of bits of paper and lots of human eyes.Thousands of votes 'lost': http://www.wired.com/2010/09/voting-machine-databa...
18,000 votes 'lost': http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2007/01/22/tech-...
"No paper trail of evidence": http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/apr/18/usele...
I would resist electronic voting systems emphatically.
Derek Smith said:
Some time ago I discovered that Berwick was still at war with Germany due to this problem, ...............
Apparently its still legal to kill a Welshman within the walls of Chester as long as I use a bow and arrow...but dont lets set the Welsh off ay.Wait a minute, I'm half Welsh !
fluffnik said:
That is indeed what I said.
I'll still be trying for a republic regardless of the result, just with less confidence if there's a No...
That will be a neat trick. I'll still be trying for a republic regardless of the result, just with less confidence if there's a No...
Salmond has said that if the vote is "Yes", the Queen will remain head of state of Scotland. There are no SNP plans to create a Republic of Scotland.
But, for the sake of argument, were that on the table, who would you like to see as Scotland's first President?
ash73 said:
I'm amazed voting isn't done by computer these days, it's 2014 and we're still counting scribbles on scraps of paper; it's like living in the stone age.
Well given that there are more 16/17 year olds in Dundee registered to vote than actually live there, postal votes are open to mass abuse both in registration and in coercion, FB is awash with photos of postal ballots and the insides of polling booths I think it's just as well we do it the way we do. Electronic voting would never have the required validity, it's too open to abuse and interference. Never mind online, we should roll back on postal voting to just the elderly/infirm.TroubledSoul said:
I would have liked the No campaign to have had a catchy theme song personally....
"There's a Nat in me kitchen, what am I gonna do?"...
"There's a Nat in me kitchen, what am I gonna do?"...
McWigglebum4th said:
Wombat3 said:
I read this earlier in the day - and some of the subsequent apologies but something has bothered me about it....
Basically, what you are saying to the rest of us is , "I want out of the UK but unfortunately the offer for me & mine just isn't good enough so I suppose we'll just have to stay"
Nothing about wanting to keep the UK together because its the right thing to do, nothing about any consideration for how a decision to vote yes might impact your fellow citizens, nothing about having any love for the whole country that harbours you & yours...
Just "The offer isn't good enough"
Basically, it would seem that you have voted for something you don't actually want to be part of out of pure self interest, and not because you actually believe in it, want to make it any better, want to contribute to it, care about its welfare or indeed have any respect or regard for it.
I'll keep the rest of my thoughts on all that to myself I think.
But aren't you desperate to get rid of Scotland for financial gain?Basically, what you are saying to the rest of us is , "I want out of the UK but unfortunately the offer for me & mine just isn't good enough so I suppose we'll just have to stay"
Nothing about wanting to keep the UK together because its the right thing to do, nothing about any consideration for how a decision to vote yes might impact your fellow citizens, nothing about having any love for the whole country that harbours you & yours...
Just "The offer isn't good enough"
Basically, it would seem that you have voted for something you don't actually want to be part of out of pure self interest, and not because you actually believe in it, want to make it any better, want to contribute to it, care about its welfare or indeed have any respect or regard for it.
I'll keep the rest of my thoughts on all that to myself I think.
Its the discord and disunity that is the highest price though.
ked off yet?
Wombat3 said:
Edinburger said:
Hi Beefy
That’s a fair question given that I’ve been undecided since volume 1.
I realise that some of you don’t believe I was undecided. Well, that was the truth. I’ve wavered between Yes and No several times as the debate progressed. This is an incredibly important vote and I’ve always seen it as a vote for my kids’ future, knowing that independence means unprecedented uncertainty, unknown changes and lots of different opportunities.
And a number of weeks ago I made my decision. I decided that I would absolutely love Scotland to be independent. We could certainly be a successful small country. My head and my heart have been at loggerheads over this. The Yes campaign has been very vocal and plenty respectable people have made good arguments on how we can build something better and leave that for future generations to build and improve on. As a father and as businessman that’s a compelling thought. The BT/No campaign has been mediocre at best.
But, I decided to vote No. And here’s why.
I could be and was persuaded that creating a new Scottish nation is absolutely the right thing to do. If it were to be a new nation. Built from a blank sheet of paper. Let’s learn from the world ‘as is’ and design and create a new nation ‘to be’. Let’s be on minded and pragmatic on our thoughts and designs.
But that wasn’t on the table. What was on the table was a version of the existing UK. Sharing currency and sharing different civil services and sharing the monarch isn‘t independence. Why replicate an existing country and society?
I realise a lot of that is wishful thinking and I realise that right now is quite possibly the wrong time to be doing this. I read an article which argues that was Yes were proposing was ‘Much The Same Apart’ which, for me, was bang on.
So - with a heavy heart - I’ll be voting No. Because I think it’s absolutely the right thing to do.
And as for this forum, I’ve enjoyed the crack and the banter over the years. There are some good debaters and there are some clowns. I was often offering alternative views and often that was to help my decision making and my learning processes throughout this debate. I followed a few independence threads on other websites too but this one was the more entertaining! I know I frustrated some of you by often being offline but that’s just my life and job situation. Oh, and the issue where I had evidence on the pension work – I did. Still do have it actually. There was collaborative work done across the financial services industry along with different civil servants on private, occupational and state pension issues which may arise but I can’t say any more than it did happen. That’s sometimes the nature of my work.
Looking forward? I honestly do not see the divided country that’s been suggested here. Over the next few weeks I expect the people of Scotland to put that behind us and work together, and over the next few and months and years we’ll hopefully create a better country for current and for future generations.,
I could be wrong. I might be making a mistake by voting No. But that’s my view. We’re living in interesting times, so let’s see what happens.
I read this earlier in the day - and some of the subsequent apologies but something has bothered me about it....That’s a fair question given that I’ve been undecided since volume 1.
I realise that some of you don’t believe I was undecided. Well, that was the truth. I’ve wavered between Yes and No several times as the debate progressed. This is an incredibly important vote and I’ve always seen it as a vote for my kids’ future, knowing that independence means unprecedented uncertainty, unknown changes and lots of different opportunities.
And a number of weeks ago I made my decision. I decided that I would absolutely love Scotland to be independent. We could certainly be a successful small country. My head and my heart have been at loggerheads over this. The Yes campaign has been very vocal and plenty respectable people have made good arguments on how we can build something better and leave that for future generations to build and improve on. As a father and as businessman that’s a compelling thought. The BT/No campaign has been mediocre at best.
But, I decided to vote No. And here’s why.
I could be and was persuaded that creating a new Scottish nation is absolutely the right thing to do. If it were to be a new nation. Built from a blank sheet of paper. Let’s learn from the world ‘as is’ and design and create a new nation ‘to be’. Let’s be on minded and pragmatic on our thoughts and designs.
But that wasn’t on the table. What was on the table was a version of the existing UK. Sharing currency and sharing different civil services and sharing the monarch isn‘t independence. Why replicate an existing country and society?
I realise a lot of that is wishful thinking and I realise that right now is quite possibly the wrong time to be doing this. I read an article which argues that was Yes were proposing was ‘Much The Same Apart’ which, for me, was bang on.
So - with a heavy heart - I’ll be voting No. Because I think it’s absolutely the right thing to do.
And as for this forum, I’ve enjoyed the crack and the banter over the years. There are some good debaters and there are some clowns. I was often offering alternative views and often that was to help my decision making and my learning processes throughout this debate. I followed a few independence threads on other websites too but this one was the more entertaining! I know I frustrated some of you by often being offline but that’s just my life and job situation. Oh, and the issue where I had evidence on the pension work – I did. Still do have it actually. There was collaborative work done across the financial services industry along with different civil servants on private, occupational and state pension issues which may arise but I can’t say any more than it did happen. That’s sometimes the nature of my work.
Looking forward? I honestly do not see the divided country that’s been suggested here. Over the next few weeks I expect the people of Scotland to put that behind us and work together, and over the next few and months and years we’ll hopefully create a better country for current and for future generations.,
I could be wrong. I might be making a mistake by voting No. But that’s my view. We’re living in interesting times, so let’s see what happens.
Basically, what you are saying to the rest of us is , "I want out of the UK but unfortunately the offer for me & mine just isn't good enough so I suppose we'll just have to stay"
Nothing about wanting to keep the UK together because its the right thing to do, nothing about any consideration for how a decision to vote yes might impact your fellow citizens, nothing about having any love for the whole country that harbours you & yours...
Just "The offer isn't good enough"
Basically, it would seem that you have voted for something you don't actually want to be part of out of pure self interest, and not because you actually believe in it, want to make it any better, want to contribute to it, care about its welfare or indeed have any respect or regard for it.
I'll keep the rest of my thoughts on all that to myself I think.
To be blunt your post seems extremely arrogant and patronising to me.
Happen it's not meant to be, but the guy can vote for what he wants for whatever the reasons he wants.
People tend to do that at elections anyway.
TroubledSoul said:
On the BBC there is an expose of the Braveheart myth but broadcast on Saturday. Just been told this and haven't got a Radio Times to hand.Derek Smith said:
On the BBC there is an expose of the Braveheart myth but broadcast on Saturday. Just been told this and haven't got a Radio Times to hand.
What - are they just showing the 1995 movie? Pretty much the entire thing was a work of fiction - even the battles were filmed in Ireland 
www.bbc.co.uk said:
Better Together campaign leader Alistair Darling was joined by his wife Margaret as he cast his vote at Church Hill Theatre in Edinburgh.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-29250391
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