Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6
Discussion
simoid said:
Salmond going down divisive lines when he should be uniting the country. He stands in front of the one scotland logo, while pointing out the differences.
He needs to step down ASAP as he's still in divisive referendum mode.
Indeed.He needs to step down ASAP as he's still in divisive referendum mode.
He gave it his best shot, he lost, and now he should disappear with dignity.
Edinburger said:
lamboman100 said:
A historic photo.
It will be replayed for decades to come.
The face of Anglophobic separatism and extremism roundly defeated by good old common sense and logic.
The silent majority crushed the extremist minority.
Great result for Great Britain.
Seriously?!?!It will be replayed for decades to come.
The face of Anglophobic separatism and extremism roundly defeated by good old common sense and logic.
The silent majority crushed the extremist minority.
Great result for Great Britain.
The "Yes" camp is the politics of UKIP and BNP with a thistle on it.
Separatist, isolationist, Anglophobic, with incomplete, utopian policies that are wholly unsuitable for a modern firstworld nation.
Salmond must go. Within the next 24hrs. He lost.
lamboman100 said:
100% serious.
The "Yes" camp is the politics of UKIP and BNP with a thistle on it.
Separatist, isolationist, Anglophobic, with incomplete, utopian policies that are wholly unsuitable for a modern firstworld nation.
Salmond must go. Within the next 24hrs. He lost.
Definitely. He managed to convince a large part of the electorate that Scotland would somehow manage to defy all economic theories and have more money than Brunei, the social state of Norway and the technology level of the Starship Enterprise, all this just by telling the English to fThe "Yes" camp is the politics of UKIP and BNP with a thistle on it.
Separatist, isolationist, Anglophobic, with incomplete, utopian policies that are wholly unsuitable for a modern firstworld nation.
Salmond must go. Within the next 24hrs. He lost.
k off. For some reason the UKIP are seen as racists but the SNP are not. Beyond me.
McWigglebum4th said:
Edinburger said:
McWigglebum4th said:
Can I revert to calling the English dicks now?
Please don't - they'll think we hate them! 
The quicker we can get back to good-natured banter, the better.A good result for Scotland, a good result for rest Britain. Hopefully something will now get done about the useless shower of politicians of all flavours that got us into this mess in the first place.
I'm starting to think that some sort of federal approach might be a better bet.
Magog said:
The Independence fox is shot for a decade to a quarter century at least I'd say. Based on these results I'd say Scotland would have to be much richer, or significantly poorer than the rUK for a majority to vote for Independence. I can't see any way in which Westminster would allow that situation to arise.
The reality here is that we have all had a remarkably close shave. 40 years ago a result of 45/55 against independence would have been inconceivable. A continuation of that trend is only going to lead to one place. Darling fought a poor campaign, The Yes campaign was far better. To lose by such a narrow margin when there are so many unknowns, such close relations with the rest of the UK and so many serious problems with independence is not a hammering. This is a remarkable success for the SNP. It should be a wake up call for Westminster. Devolution of more powers to Scotland will only guarantee another referendum in 15-20 years. What we need now is leadership for the whole of the UK. We need to be together, British, not fragmented and certainly not sniping at each other.. Parliament has to engage with everyone - Scotland, Wales, NI, North West, North East, South West, everywhere. To fail to do that will guarantee both that there will be a next time, and that the next time the Nats will win.
As above. GTF Alex.
No class, no congratulation to Better Together. Just insistence that we get more powers regardless.
We voted NO. Convincingly, despite years of campaigning. We have no way of knowing how many no voters did so in anticipation of more powers or in spite of those pledges. So why the fk are we letting the losing side frame the terms of how we move forward?
If the result were reversed would Salmond be noting the >1m voters who wanted the UK to remain as is, and make concessions to them? Would. He. fk.
No class, no congratulation to Better Together. Just insistence that we get more powers regardless.
We voted NO. Convincingly, despite years of campaigning. We have no way of knowing how many no voters did so in anticipation of more powers or in spite of those pledges. So why the f
k are we letting the losing side frame the terms of how we move forward?If the result were reversed would Salmond be noting the >1m voters who wanted the UK to remain as is, and make concessions to them? Would. He. f
k.
cardigankid said:
Magog said:
The Independence fox is shot for a decade to a quarter century at least I'd say. Based on these results I'd say Scotland would have to be much richer, or significantly poorer than the rUK for a majority to vote for Independence. I can't see any way in which Westminster would allow that situation to arise.
The reality here is that we have all had a remarkably close shave. 40 years ago a result of 45/55 against independence would have been inconceivable. A continuation of that trend is only going to lead to one place. Darling fought a poor campaign, The Yes campaign was far better. To lose by such a narrow margin when there are so many unknowns, such close relations with the rest of the UK and so many serious problems with independence is not a hammering. This is a remarkable success for the SNP. It should be a wake up call for Westminster. Devolution of more powers to Scotland will only guarantee another referendum in 15-20 years. What we need now is leadership for the whole of the UK. We need to be together, British, not fragmented and certainly not sniping at each other.. Parliament has to engage with everyone - Scotland, Wales, NI, North West, North East, South West, everywhere. To fail to do that will guarantee both that there will be a next time, and that the next time the Nats will win.
Disuniting the kingdom affects 100% of the UK. 100% of voters will get a vote. Not 10%.
When 100% of the UK gets a vote, it will yet again be a "No" result.
The gap surprised me. Over 10% is significant and something of a relief.
Salmond's emphasis on being divisive during the campaign does not sit well with his suggestion he wants to work together within the UK now.
The positive to take out of this is that it is unlikely to ever rear its head again unless there is a game changer. The oil revenue was the basis of the Yes campaign, the suggestion being that it could fund all sorts of benefits. If the dropping off of the income in the next few years is correct then in 10 years the situation will not be so open to distortion.
28 'wards' NO, 4 YES. More than 10% is big enough.
Salmond's emphasis on being divisive during the campaign does not sit well with his suggestion he wants to work together within the UK now.
The positive to take out of this is that it is unlikely to ever rear its head again unless there is a game changer. The oil revenue was the basis of the Yes campaign, the suggestion being that it could fund all sorts of benefits. If the dropping off of the income in the next few years is correct then in 10 years the situation will not be so open to distortion.
28 'wards' NO, 4 YES. More than 10% is big enough.
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