Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6
Discussion
steveT350C said:
Can't argue with that. Glasgow, surrounding and Dundee aside the REST of the whole country rejected Independence. Totally.
There is only a small minority of nats that have taken the vote really bad. In my area (Dumfries and Galloway) my girlfriend was genuinely petrified of a Yes win. It was a 66% No vote but in the run up Yes was everywhere. Her sister (with nothing to her name) is/was obsessed by Yes and has defriended her and is now filled with bitterness and still will carry on whinging. THESE lunatics are the minority. A lot of people I know who voted Yes have got up today and basically said "oh well" and have just got on as normal. I`m not even sure a lot of the decisions were taken that seriously with misinformation being par for the course.
I`ll go to work and listen to the one moaning git probably for a few weeks. His oil argument falls down as those closest to the oil (Orkneys/Shetlands) absolutely trounced the Yes campaign.
I`m glad it`s over.
There is only a small minority of nats that have taken the vote really bad. In my area (Dumfries and Galloway) my girlfriend was genuinely petrified of a Yes win. It was a 66% No vote but in the run up Yes was everywhere. Her sister (with nothing to her name) is/was obsessed by Yes and has defriended her and is now filled with bitterness and still will carry on whinging. THESE lunatics are the minority. A lot of people I know who voted Yes have got up today and basically said "oh well" and have just got on as normal. I`m not even sure a lot of the decisions were taken that seriously with misinformation being par for the course.
I`ll go to work and listen to the one moaning git probably for a few weeks. His oil argument falls down as those closest to the oil (Orkneys/Shetlands) absolutely trounced the Yes campaign.
I`m glad it`s over.
Cobnapint said:
NomduJour said:
glasgowrob said:
as it stands we can always have another referendum at some point in the future maybe with the yes campaign having a better idea of funding and running an indpenedent Scotland. but if we had went indy there was no coming back
What nonsense - you've had your free and fair chance, now live with it. There will be zero tolerance from the rest of the UK if the separatists get ideas again.s2kjock said:
Big Rod said:
OpulentBob said:
PS my dad has just rung me to say that he'd woken up this morning to an empty bed, he found my mum downstairs at just gone 5, sitting on the settee gently crying (happy tears). He didn't want to make too much of it, but I think the stress of it had really got to her. I think I'm going to take her a bunch of flowers tonight and maybe up the pub for a small celebration/"TF that's all over" meal.
For all the banter on here, thank you Scotland for making my mum happy.
Your Mum wasn't alone! For all the banter on here, thank you Scotland for making my mum happy.
Edited by Big Rod on Friday 19th September 12:53
The "older generation" who did not want independence are that much closer to much tougher times when the UK stood together, and partition would have been a bigger wrench for them than younger folk. Couple that with the reduced ability of older people to emigrate to get away from what might happen, and the enormous relief is understandable.
PS.I thought nothing would make me smile more today than seeing Fat Eck slumped in the back of his car but reading the wingsoverbath forum has taken my happiness to a whole new level.It is amazing.
zygalski said:
I would imagine there would be a vote at most every 10 years or so....
It won`t happen. Scotland is predominantly a Labour country and the SNP were elected basically by default. The majority have spoken and only the SNP would orchestrate a referendum and sadly the old tactical voting method backfired on this occasion. I personally know dozens of people who voted SNP a few years back as a tactical vote against the Conservatives. Anyone but the Tories seems to be where it`s at up here.I don`t think that mistake will be made every few years.
bigkeeko said:
They were LAST in all of the 4 big parties.
True - but that doesnt change the fact that 1 in 5 Scots voted for them - i'd hardly say that was indicative of an "Anyone but the Tories" attitude.bigkeeko said:
with ONE seat.
That is more a reflection of the FPTP voting system than the underlying will of the voters.If we had proportional representation in the UK - Scotland would have had around 10 Tory MPs in 2010.
Edited by Moonhawk on Friday 19th September 13:57
ash73 said:
Would love to know how many of the 2M "no" voters would want independence in principle but didn't think it had been thought through (currency, EU, etc).
I think it's fair to say that those of a rational disposition will have weighed up all the pros, cons and ramifications of both paths.Speaking personally, I wasn't driven by emotion but it's easy to see how people can be, (although I did wobble a bit after a visit to the west coast in Easter).
I've always said that there's nothing stopping Scotland being independent but I don't think it 'should' be.
I think the pragmatic vote won here.
Big Rod said:
ash73 said:
Would love to know how many of the 2M "no" voters would want independence in principle but didn't think it had been thought through (currency, EU, etc).
I think it's fair to say that those of a rational disposition will have weighed up all the pros, cons and ramifications of both paths.Speaking personally, I wasn't driven by emotion but it's easy to see how people can be, (although I did wobble a bit after a visit to the west coast in Easter).
I've always said that there's nothing stopping Scotland being independent but I don't think it 'should' be.
I think the pragmatic vote won here.
It's a worry that a little more clarity from Salmond over currency and borders/EU probably would have changed everything.
Now we have just under half the country unhappy and looking for any excuse to reject what DC is doing. Given the track record, DC is hardly likely to fulfil all of the DevoMax promises. even if he did, the YES campaign will find excuses as to why they haven't worked.
Combine this with half the country trying to rationalise currency and EU options, if they are able to push for another vote the chances to seperation will be much higher.
IMO giving the option of independence which was never a Right of the Scots, has now made it a Right to vote on. It won't be too many years before it is being demanded, but this time as a Right, not a Request.
Some of the comments on Facebook and the BBC.
The disappointed yes voters seem to be treating their own countrymen with a mixture of contempt, disdain and loathing - just for following a different path or having a different opinion.
Sad to see - but I guess it takes the heat off the English for a while. Every cloud and all that.......
The disappointed yes voters seem to be treating their own countrymen with a mixture of contempt, disdain and loathing - just for following a different path or having a different opinion.
Sad to see - but I guess it takes the heat off the English for a while. Every cloud and all that.......
Moonhawk said:
Some of the comments on Facebook and the BBC.
The disappointed yes voters seem to be treating their own countrymen with a mixture of contempt, disdain and loathing - just for following a different path or having a different opinion.
Sad to see - but I guess it takes the heat off the English for a while. Every cloud and all that.......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFaAIylVHfIThe disappointed yes voters seem to be treating their own countrymen with a mixture of contempt, disdain and loathing - just for following a different path or having a different opinion.
Sad to see - but I guess it takes the heat off the English for a while. Every cloud and all that.......
Nearly 90% turnout, very impressive, hats off.
The UK showed the world in Northern Ireland what could be achieved with the ballot box rather than the gun and now Scotland and UK has shown the world again how democracy works.
We do ourselves down, but we are a 21st Century group of folk.
On a selfish note I am glad Scotland voted No, love it up there whenever I visit. Fantastic countryside and lots of friends.
We do have to make decision making more local though. On the other hand with certain non democratic countries being so big, we cannot just make ourselves more and more smaller.
Interesting that Glasgow voted YES and the further away places said NO. Wouldn't want a centralised place having too much power of course
The UK showed the world in Northern Ireland what could be achieved with the ballot box rather than the gun and now Scotland and UK has shown the world again how democracy works.
We do ourselves down, but we are a 21st Century group of folk.
On a selfish note I am glad Scotland voted No, love it up there whenever I visit. Fantastic countryside and lots of friends.
We do have to make decision making more local though. On the other hand with certain non democratic countries being so big, we cannot just make ourselves more and more smaller.
Interesting that Glasgow voted YES and the further away places said NO. Wouldn't want a centralised place having too much power of course
ralphrj said:
Telephone poll by Lord Ashcroft gives a breakdown of the result:
Slightly more women than men voted 'No' (56% of women, 53% of men).
Young people were much more likely to vote 'Yes' than pensioners. 71% of 16-17 year olds voted 'Yes'. 73% of pensioners voted 'No'.
72% of 'No' voters made their mind up more than a year ago.
Biggest reasons for voting 'Yes' were disaffection with Westminster and concern over the NHS.
Biggest reasons for voting 'No' were loss of the pound and concern over pensions and the NHS.
61% of 'Yes' voters want another referendum in the next 10 years.
Plus a very high correlation between % of benefit claimants and % yes vote....Slightly more women than men voted 'No' (56% of women, 53% of men).
Young people were much more likely to vote 'Yes' than pensioners. 71% of 16-17 year olds voted 'Yes'. 73% of pensioners voted 'No'.
72% of 'No' voters made their mind up more than a year ago.
Biggest reasons for voting 'Yes' were disaffection with Westminster and concern over the NHS.
Biggest reasons for voting 'No' were loss of the pound and concern over pensions and the NHS.
61% of 'Yes' voters want another referendum in the next 10 years.
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