Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6
Discussion
Moonhawk said:
Some of the comments on Facebook and the BBC.
The disappointed yes voters seem to be treating their own countrymen with a mixture of contempt, disdain and loathing - just for following a different path or having a different opinion.
Sad to see - but I guess it takes the heat off the English for a while. Every cloud and all that.......
Yes, they continue to blame everybody else except themselves. Perhaps if they'd had a proper economic plan, and some properly thought out answers then they might have got more votes.The disappointed yes voters seem to be treating their own countrymen with a mixture of contempt, disdain and loathing - just for following a different path or having a different opinion.
Sad to see - but I guess it takes the heat off the English for a while. Every cloud and all that.......
Instead they had shouty, ill-thought out plans and an ideology of blame - it's the English, it's the Tories, it's Thatcher, it's Westminster, it's the BBC!
I for one am glad that the Scots remain in the union, and in many respects they might have done all the other nations a favour. It looks like a more decentralised governemnt model is on the cards in some shape or form.
Wouldn't it be nice if the sudden resurgence of political interest could focus on making the entire union better?
Finally, the only person coming out of this mess smelling of roses is Gordon Brown, and who could have predicted that 2 weeks ago?
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hstewie said:
hstewie said:tangerine_sedge said:
Finally, the only person coming out of this mess smelling of roses is Gordon Brown, and who could have predicted that 2 weeks ago?
Well he did keep saying more devolution, more powers in the event of a No. He was talking like he was still PM.Th eNo campaign looked to have got its timing right - lots of postal votes made before news of a new political deal was struck....i'd feel a bit peeved.
tangerine_sedge said:
Yes, they continue to blame everybody else except themselves. Perhaps if they'd had a proper economic plan, and some properly thought out answers then they might have got more votes.
The problem is - it works both for and against them. They may have swayed more No voters - but at the same time - it was the promises of milk and honey that hooked many Yessers in.It was the promise of more/better everything - whilst paying less for it (or at least getting the rich/oil to pay for it) that was so intoxicating to many.
As the saying goes though "if it sounds to good to be true........"
Had the financial plan been more realistic, indicating both bad times ahead as well as good - and had it laid out the fact that, actually, people might need to get off their arses and work to make iScotland successful (and would be made to do so) - I hazard they may have lost a large percentage of their core vote.
Edited by Moonhawk on Friday 19th September 14:42
Moonhawk said:
Gandahar said:
Interesting that Glasgow voted YES and the further away places said NO. Wouldn't want a centralised place having too much power of course 
Interesting you should say that.Shetland is further away from either Edinburgh or Glasgow - than Dumfries is from London.
I know a lot of people are unhappy today but I think a lot of good things will come out of this. Ok, perhaps I am just bending to my optimistic nature.
I wish it would though, for all parties.
Moonhawk said:
Had the financial plan been more realistic, indicating both bad times ahead as well as good - and had it laid out the fact that, actually, people might need to get off their arses and work to make iScotland successful (and would be made to do so) - I hazard they may have lost a large percentage of their core vote.
Plus points to their credibility had this been the case though.Edited by Moonhawk on Friday 19th September 14:42
Which it never would have been, of course.
Mr_B said:
Question. What percentage of eligible people who could register to vote did so, what percentage of that did turn out and vote and then what percentage of that voted yes ?
According to the BBC97% registered to vote
84.59% actually did vote
44.7% of the 84% who did vote, voted Yes
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-pol...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/events/scotland-decides/...
As a percentage of the entire electorate - the Yes vote only represented around 37.8%.
Edited by Moonhawk on Friday 19th September 15:15
Moonhawk said:
If true - it looks like Salmond's plan to give 16-17 year olds the vote (relying on their relative willingness to take risks, their relative lack of financial or personal responsibility/accountability and their idealism) almost worked.
Of course it did. Salmond had everything going for him:- a simple Yes/No question
- 16 yo's allowed to vote
- the "affirmative" response on the ballot card
- the opposite ("Better Together") campaign not calling themselves the same as their ballot choice
- a disorganised Better Together campaign lacking leadership and cohesion
- 3 very English "leaders" taking time out from their Westminster lifestyles to patronise the Scots and look like the needy/clingy half of a bad relationship
And he still lost by 10 points. In my eyes, this means the issue should never be raised again. Giving 16 yo's the vote is just ridiculous, they will vote against the perceived Establishment (of any sort) on principle.
Unfortunately, when Salmond gets over last night he'll realise the vote was really always going to be a win/win for him; even with a "No" vote he has got lots of concessions from Westminster that actually may result in something a bit more like devo max which is what he really wanted originally.
Best outcome is if we actually resolve the West Lothian question and remove 40 Labour votes from voting on English matters.
Just caught the TV at work. They had interviewed some 'Yes' voters after the result. All claiming BBC (General Media) Bias, scaremongering by Westminster had ruined it for Scotland and how unfair it all was.
REALLY???
Nothing about the majority of people realised that YES was not a good option to be taking.
REALLY???
Nothing about the majority of people realised that YES was not a good option to be taking.
Timsta said:
Axionknight said:
Mr_B said:
Question. What percentage of eligible people who could register to vote did so, what percentage of that did turn out and vote and then what percentage of that voted yes ?
Turn out was 84.6%, the Yes vote was 44.7%Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff