Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6

[Rovinghawk]

mcbook said:

Just wanted to add that as a YES voter, I completely accept the result and feel that the issue should be put to bed for a generation, at least.

A great pity that yours is a minority view.

[McWigglebum4th]

A sneak peek of the YES voter training sheet




Worked brilliantly

[Edinburger]

ralphrj said:

Salmond press conf pushed back again to 4pm.

Rumour is he will resign.

I really hope he doesn't resign.

Even though I don't agree with him and the SNP say/do, he is one of the finest politicians of his generation and is easily the best First Mininster we've ever had in Scotland.

[Impasse]

Moonhawk said:

WCZ said:

Dog Star said:

The 16 and 17 year old thing was very cynical; I'd wager that about 90% of them voted "Yes".

Does anyone know what percentage of the electorate they represented?

not sure but I remember polls indicating the complete opposite!

Again according to BBC - 71% voted Yes

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-pol...

Looks like the polls had it wrong.

Yoofs were 109,533 in number out of 3,619,915 countable votes and as above seemed to be around 71% YESers - although the sample size wasn't massive.

[Esseesse]

r11co said:

Dog Star said:

The 16 and 17 year old thing was very cynical; I'd wager that about 90% of them voted "Yes".

No official exit polls, but most of the opinion polls that sampled this group showed support for no around 60%.

Cynical indeed, but for Salmond it backfired.

Edited by r11co on Friday 19th September 15:37

The 16 and 17 year old thing... I was always wondering how that would affect the legality of the result. I.e. are there not rules about who can take part in elections (adults maybe)? And who has to consent to accept the views of 16/17 year olds? Who decided that it was acceptable to take the will of those living in Scotland, rather than those who are technically Scottish?

[Edinburger]

Dog Star said:

The 16 and 17 year old thing was very cynical; I'd wager that about 90% of them voted "Yes".

Does anyone know what percentage of the electorate they represented?

Don't have the source to hanbd but I read 70-80% of 16 & 17 year olds had planned to vote No.

It's absolutely correct that they got the vote in such a monumentous referendum.

[mcbook]

La Liga said:

t would have made no difference who were in power during the sub-prime crisis. Anyone who says so is usually an opportunist i.e. wasn't in power at the time.

Sorry, I was referring to the rampant increase in debt (during prosperous times) which made the sub-prime triggered recession so difficult to recover from. You're right that sub-prime would have screwed anyone but we were in a position, because of Gordy, where we could not adequately respond.

[McWigglebum4th]

Edinburger said:

I really hope he doesn't resign.

Even though I don't agree with him and the SNP say/do, he is one of the finest politicians of his generation and is easily the best First Mininster we've ever had in Scotland.

Have you been drinking?

As someone from the right wing i don't think he could hold a candle to Donald Dewar

[Esseesse]

Edinburger said:

ralphrj said:

Salmond press conf pushed back again to 4pm.

Rumour is he will resign.

I really hope he doesn't resign.

Even though I don't agree with him and the SNP say/do, he is one of the finest politicians of his generation and is easily the best First Mininster we've ever had in Scotland.

A fine politician does not have to rely solely on rhetoric. He's just one of the quickest and aggressive first ministers you've ever had.

[Edinburger]

PhilboSE said:

ralphrj said:

Salmond press conf pushed back again to 4pm.

Rumour is he will resign.

Well he ought to; he and his party have been a 1-trick pony and their bluff has been called. However I suspect that all the fervent nationalism (really anti-English xenophobia) that they have stirred up will result in a win for the SNP making Sturgeon First Minister.

Seriously?

How can you say they're a one trick pony? Have you seen their track record in Holyrood? Bet you're just jealous that we have a credible alternative to Lab/Lib/Con.

One word response to your "really anti-English xenophobia" comment - pathetic.

[SilverSixer]

Edinburger said:

the best First Mininster we've ever had in Scotland.

Out of how many? It's not a long list.

[Olivera]

lamboman100 said:

GetCarter said:

A beautiful picture.

Some 28 of 32 Scotland wards voted "No".

That is 88% "No".

After ~3 years of relentless campaigning, with intimidation and violent behaviour thrown in for good measure, the "Yes" campaign got thrashed.

All that effort. All that money spent. Over several years. And they still lost.

It is time for the "Yes" supporters to eat some humble pie and sink quietly back into the background.

The "silent majority" defeated the extremist minority.

I concurred with the final 'No' vote, but I did find the BBC's regular use of this graphic very baffling. The referendum was not first past the post constituency based, so colouring in the constituency area with red/green simply did not make any sense.

[McWigglebum4th]

SilverSixer said:

Edinburger said:

the best First Mininster we've ever had in Scotland.

Out of how many? It's not a long list.

He is in the top 5 best

[Munter]

Olivera said:

I concurred with the final 'No' vote, but I did find the BBC's regular use of this graphic very baffling. The referendum was not first past the post constituency based, so colouring in the constituency area with red/green simply did not make any sense.

If I try hard I can find some irony in the Yes wanting to split things like oil based on geographical area, and then that map being used to show their defeat.

[Edinburger]

McWigglebum4th said:

Edinburger said:

I really hope he doesn't resign.

Even though I don't agree with him and the SNP say/do, he is one of the finest politicians of his generation and is easily the best First Mininster we've ever had in Scotland.

Have you been drinking?

As someone from the right wing i don't think he could hold a candle to Donald Dewar

We've been over this various times early in this thread. There's plenty evidence of him consistently beating every other Scottish and virtually all Britiush politicians in an analaysis of delivery of promises, change, popularity, etc.

[ralphrj]

Olivera said:

I concurred with the final 'No' vote, but I did find the BBC's regular use of this graphic very baffling. The referendum was not first past the post constituency based, so colouring in the constituency area with red/green simply did not make any sense.

I'm glad I'm not the only one that spotted that.

Sky had something similar but then adjusted it to show the size of the constituency. However, this was still wrong as it made it look as if 100% Glasgow voted 'Yes' and 100% of all the other areas voted 'No'.

[Esseesse]

Edinburger said:

Dog Star said:

The 16 and 17 year old thing was very cynical; I'd wager that about 90% of them voted "Yes".

Does anyone know what percentage of the electorate they represented?

Don't have the source to hanbd but I read 70-80% of 16 & 17 year olds had planned to vote No.

It's absolutely correct that they got the vote in such a monumentous referendum.

The fact that the vote was so monumentous is a good reason why children should not have had a say.

[Edinburger]

Esseesse said:

Edinburger said:

ralphrj said:

Salmond press conf pushed back again to 4pm.

Rumour is he will resign.

I really hope he doesn't resign.

Even though I don't agree with him and the SNP say/do, he is one of the finest politicians of his generation and is easily the best First Mininster we've ever had in Scotland.

A fine politician does not have to rely solely on rhetoric. He's just one of the quickest and aggressive first ministers you've ever had.

And most popular.

[Edinburger]

Esseesse said:

Edinburger said:

Dog Star said:

The 16 and 17 year old thing was very cynical; I'd wager that about 90% of them voted "Yes".

Does anyone know what percentage of the electorate they represented?

Don't have the source to hanbd but I read 70-80% of 16 & 17 year olds had planned to vote No.

It's absolutely correct that they got the vote in such a monumentous referendum.

The fact that the vote was so monumentous is a good reason why children should not have had a say.

Think you'll find that 16 and 17 year olds are deemed to be responsible adults according to Scots' law.

[Leithen]

Esseesse said:

The 16 and 17 year old thing... I was always wondering how that would affect the legality of the result. I.e. are there not rules about who can take part in elections (adults maybe)? And who has to consent to accept the views of 16/17 year olds? Who decided that it was acceptable to take the will of those living in Scotland, rather than those who are technically Scottish?

As for the legality of the referendum, the agreement between UK and Scottish governments outlines the legal basis for the subsequent Scottish Independence Referendum Act 2013.