Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6

[bitchstewie]

I don't like how he's campaigned but fair play I guess.

[confused_buyer]

I don't blame him really. He's 60, his wife is not far off 80. He's done two stints as SNP leader, he's been an MP, a MSP, lead an independence referendum campaign and done nearly two terms as First Minister.

No doubt there are other things he wants to do. I can see it now "Now on BBC2, it is Independence Railway Journeys. Alex Salmond makes a series of railway travels around Europe without spending any money by claiming it is his Pound and he's not handing it over for a ticket" etc.

[ralphrj]

confused_buyer said:

No doubt there are other things he wants to do. I can see it now "Now on BBC2, it is Independence Railway Journeys. Alex Salmond makes a series of railway travels around Europe without spending any money by claiming it is his Pound and he's not handing it over for a ticket" etc.

[Edinburger]

confused_buyer said:

I don't blame him really. He's 60, his wife is not far off 80. He's done two stints as SNP leader, he's been an MP, a MSP, lead an independence referendum campaign and done nearly two terms as First Minister.

No doubt there are other things he wants to do. I can see it now "Now on BBC2, it is Independence Railway Journeys. Alex Salmond makes a series of railway travels around Europe without spending any money by claiming it is his Pound and he's not handing it over for a ticket" etc.

Good points. he made a credible speech, to be fair. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-29277527

[Petrus1983]

Ironically Nicola Sturgeon is a front runner to replace him, just to remind people there's always a bigger fish in the sea somewhere.

[jonny996]

I voted NO, I will get that out there straight away and I am glad salmons has gone BUT for very different reasons. The yes camp was a one man band, like him or loth him he has done a remarkable job getting the yes up to 45 percent it was no where near that a year ago. The yes camp will be waiting a very long time before they get a leader of his abilities again, if ever

[Impasse]

Petrus1983 said:

Ironically Nicola Sturgeon is a front runner to replace him, just to remind people there's always a bigger fish in the sea somewhere.

What you done did there, I did done sawed it.

[marshalla]

ash73 said:

That's fair enough. His comment at the start of the speech was interesting but I didn't quite catch the detail, something about call-me-Dave reneging on a promise made by Gordon Brown in his rhetoric?

GB promised 2nd reading of the Scotland Bill by 27th March. CMD says it would be a meaningless activity because of General Election falling shortly after.

[telford_mike]

Didn't Salmond resign once before? Comeback king!

[Tuna]

I'm actually pretty unhappy he's resigned. Having built up a huge challenge to UK stability, and opened wounds in communities, to walk away now sends the worst message. If he were genuinely interested in a democratic result, he should at least see through the consequences of his actions, and encourage his electorate to honour the agreement. He should at least be part of the ongoing discussions on devolution.

In a way he can't loose - for the next few years the Yes team will seize on any bad news, cut or failing and claim that it wouldn't have happened under an independent Scotland.

[andy_s]

Sturgeon? Jeez-oh, here we go... First Ministerette.

[Derek Smith]

Edinburger said:

Bet you're just jealous that we have a credible alternative to Lab/Lib/Con.

Let's see, would that alternative be the party led by the bloke who, since becoming first minister until March 2014 had private meetings with Murdoch? That's more than once every two months.

The party led by the bloke who gave Ryder Cup tickets and those for the theatre to Murdoch?

The one who, with his ministers, met with Murdoch 13 times between Aug 2011 and March 2014?

Plus the interview, a very supportive one, with the editor of the Wall St Journal?

This is the Murdoch who suggested that the vote would be a huge black eye for whole political establishment, especially Cameron and Miliband?

Salmond is a politician, one like all the rest of those at the top, one who will suck up to Murdoch and do his bidding as long as the paper is supportive.

Was The Times, or the Sun or Sky excluded from the speech?

The man is odious, just like the rest of them, and will sleep with the devil, and do his bidding, if they are promised sweets.

Not much of an alternative.

As someone earlier said: He's Johnson with thistles.

[hidetheelephants]

Cheese Mechanic said:

Having said that so far, the real st will not be hitting the fan in Scotland, it will be doing so in the rest of the UK. Devo max? Not going to happen, any party down here who tries to implement such, unless I have read things very wrong , will be toast. The English voter, will not have it , such blatant preferential treatment via Scots hands in everyone else's pockets will not be tolerated. Mr Salmond has been far too successfull in portraying the Scots as English hating spongers, you see.

All 3 main political parties in the 'No' camp belatedly promised variations on federalism as reasons scots should vote no; the opinion polls and the referendum result suggest this was a winning strategy. Not delivering on promises is a good way to piss voters off.

PlankWithANailIn said:

Cobnapint said:

Edinburger said:

Hopefully significant change en route to Scotland via devo plus / devo max.

But why the fk should you get it? What makes Scotland so fking special? What is wrong with being run from the democratically accepted capital of Great Britain?

You voted No!

Jocks - get over yourselves, FFS!

[b]Because by luck of birth we live in a representative democracy, and a large number of those represented want more power devolved from the centre. Reading this forum its clear that a lot of people want this now for England too and its likely we will devolve power from Westminster to a English parliament and by default end up with a Federal UK.

Scotland are getting what they want because...err..that's what they want and have created a political movement around it, its a simple as that.[/b]

Definitely this.

Edited by hidetheelephants on Friday 19th September 17:12

[mybrainhurts]

So King (not) Alex sets Scot against Scot, then buggers off into the sunset. Nice.

Is Nicola Bloater going too?

[whoami]

mybrainhurts said:

So King (not) Alex sets Scot against Scot, then buggers off into the sunset. Nice.

Is Nicola Bloater going too?

She'll be the next leader.

[johnxjsc1985]

Asterix said:

BlackLabel said:

So we'll be seeing a lot more of the lady below now. Quite frankly, she was just as bad as Salmond during this campaign and should resign as well.

Looks like a drag artist.

I always think of Scottish people as being quite astute and a bit savvy .It beggars belief how they ever thought this man was anything but a gimp and a self serving one at that .they deserve better lets hope they get a decent leader this time.

[julian64]

This thread is not making me feel proud to be english. Salmon didn't do anything wrong. He seemed to be a man of principle and a great many scottish seemed proud to have him represent them, which makes him okay in my book.

I didn't agree with him, but the general juvenile gloating and name calling on this thread is as bad as anything I heard from the scottish during the campaign.

Frankly unimpressed.

[Rovinghawk]

johnxjsc1985 said:

I always think of Scottish people as being quite astute and a bit savvy.

Go out in Glasgow tonight and see whether your opinions change.

[toppstuff]

julian64 said:

This thread is not making me feel proud to be english. Salmon didn't do anything wrong. He seemed to be a man of principle and a great many scottish seemed proud to have him represent them, which makes him okay in my book.

I didn't agree with him, but the general juvenile gloating and name calling on this thread is as bad as anything I heard from the scottish during the campaign.

Frankly unimpressed.

Agreed.

[Moonhawk]

julian64 said:

Salmon didn't do anything wrong.

I'm sorry what?

He lied to his fellow countrymen. Sold them a dream based on promises he couldn't possibly make (and had no right to make). Blatantly skirted round direct questions relying instead on a handful of throwaway soundbytes - then shouted down anyone who tried to point out the fact that he hadn't in fact answered the question posed to him. He accused anyone who wouldn't toe the party line of scaremongering - yet the yes campaign contained little more than this dressed up in the veil of positivity. He made outright threats towards the UK regarding the debt - then threw "what are you going to do - invade" in our face like a primary school child would. He has driven a wedge down the centre of Scotland to achieve nothing but his own political aims - and tried to break up a union that me and my ancestors have worked fought and died for without us even having a say. He doesn't even respect the will of the 2 million or so Scots who voted against his crusade - and barely has enough dignity to even mention them in his speeches.

Sorry - but that doesn't make him "okay" in my book.

Edited by Moonhawk on Friday 19th September 17:37