Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6
Discussion
The thing is now this vote was truely the only real chance of separation ie still loads of oil and an older population not too overly burdening.
Move forward 20+ years oil is then a drastically lower generator - quite likely most cars will be electric so its a mineral resource of little value the population will be much older in Scotland so one huge income loss and one massive cost burdon to cope with. The economics will never be as good as they were this time - so this was the best chance they had and the settled will of Scottish people gave a huge kick in the balls to the Yes campaign.
Will SNP lose power in Holyrood next election and become a much smaller party ? Possibly/probably
The first past the post only 3 yes only 3 councils in the whole of Scotland wanted a Yes. That on top of a 10.3% overall majority loss is a massive defeat its pretty clear no one expected it to be such a big "No Thanks". Its damming
I don't know where the poor areas are in Scotland but could anyone confirm if the 3 areas which voted yes are these type of areas
WHERE IS BURGER? HE PROMISED TO COME BACK REGARDLESS OF OUTCOME.....WHAT DID HE VOTE?
Move forward 20+ years oil is then a drastically lower generator - quite likely most cars will be electric so its a mineral resource of little value the population will be much older in Scotland so one huge income loss and one massive cost burdon to cope with. The economics will never be as good as they were this time - so this was the best chance they had and the settled will of Scottish people gave a huge kick in the balls to the Yes campaign.
Will SNP lose power in Holyrood next election and become a much smaller party ? Possibly/probably
The first past the post only 3 yes only 3 councils in the whole of Scotland wanted a Yes. That on top of a 10.3% overall majority loss is a massive defeat its pretty clear no one expected it to be such a big "No Thanks". Its damming
I don't know where the poor areas are in Scotland but could anyone confirm if the 3 areas which voted yes are these type of areas
WHERE IS BURGER? HE PROMISED TO COME BACK REGARDLESS OF OUTCOME.....WHAT DID HE VOTE?
fluffnik said:
If the No campaign deliver on their promises, which already seems unlikely, I'll give credit as due.
I joined the SNP today.
Am I missing something here? Has Scotland just emerged from several hundred years of slavery or something, and feels that the rest of Britain should be extra kind to it or what?I joined the SNP today.
Why is Scotland constantly holding Westminster, and more recently the Union, to ransom all the f
king time?What is it about your society that you think should be 'fairer' exactly? You already get more sweeties than the rest of us, do you want the f
king bag as well?toppstuff said:
But surely it is the Settled Will of the Scottish people?
Just because you don't like it does not change this fact.
But it was never about the democratic will of the Scottish people. It remains about paranoid resentment of the English. The paranoid are still there so the issue remains. Just because you don't like it does not change this fact.
If the whole fiasco has achieved anything, even the politically unengaged English have finally woken up to the democratic deficit they face, and that they fund the rest. This is a great opportunity for Cameron if he grasps it, or a huge risk if he doesn't. There would be significant English support for change which addresses the major imbalances if he has the courage. The added advantage is anything he does would disadvantage Labour, hence Milipede already trying to decommit on his promises during the campaign.
If he doesn't, and committing to maintain the wholly unfair Barnett formula has been a shot in one foot, it will cost him at the election. Maybe he's been playing a blinder of a long game all along.
fluffnik said:
Alpacaman said:
As I suspected the yes supporters simply won't accept the result and move on and try and work together to make Scotland better.
If there is a genuine properly federal solution, a la Suisse, which would require England to be split into manageable chunks, it will have my support (even though I think the UK layer utterly superfluous when we have the EU).Reneging on the promises which secured the No will not.
In fact, how about this? We split the UK into 650 manageable chunks, with c90,000 people per region. Then democracy would be strong. You'd get exactly the person that the majority of those people elected. Localism perfectly expressed. Cultural sensitivities strongly represented. Then those regions would each send that person to a centralised location to decide on important national matters and argue for a better deal for their own individual constituents.
That sounds excellent. It is also exactly what we have already.
We can then get rid of the needless extra levels of government. The wasteful regional parliaments that are pointless talking shops.
It gets my vote.
fluffnik said:
whoami said:
fluffnik said:
Which is why getting rid of the UK was/is the simple and effective solution!
How do you feel?There's a facebook group called "We are the 45%" it already has over 89,000 members, we're not going back in the box!
28 of the 32 Scotland wards voted "No".
That is an 88% win for the "No" campaign.
After ~3 years of relentless shouting and bullying and spending millions on propaganda, the "Yes" camp still got completely thrashed.
Just to repeat and be 100% clear -- 28 of 32 Scotland wards chose "No".
The "Yes" camp lost fair and square. The pipedream is over.
I still feel really uneasy by hearing the constant statements of "I'm Scottish" from the nationalists. When I or my friends talk about nationality we will always feel British first and English is a long way behind as it has been beaten into us over generations to hide English ness.
When Scots were being interviewed after the result there was lots of talk of the nation reconciling. They meant just Scotland, not the UK which the rest of they have managed to fk right off with their selfishness.
When Scots were being interviewed after the result there was lots of talk of the nation reconciling. They meant just Scotland, not the UK which the rest of they have managed to f
k right off with their selfishness.rich1231 said:
I still feel really uneasy by hearing the constant statements of "I'm Scottish" from the nationalists...........
Whenever someone asks about my nationality - I always reply "I'm Scottish." I'm also a strong believer in the Union.
You will find most Scots will reply "Scottish" - regardless of YES/NO views.
It's our cultural identity.
Welshbeef said:
andy_s said:
^ he replied some time ago.
I must have missed it - what did he vote?k me are you blind. You've asked him twice and he's replied to you twice. At least have the common courtesy of reading through the responses before chucking something up in all caps like a two year old.
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