Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6

[Fordy Bob]

BooHoo said:

Have you got anything back up this claim or is it just your opinion?

I refer the learned gentelman to post timed at 19.16hrs

[Catz]

Alpacaman said:

I suspect one reason a lot of young people voted yes is that they are spoon fed Scottish Government propaganda from an early age at school. I was talking to someone who worked in a primary school who was sent a pack for the children telling them how wonderful independence would be for the country yet giving no alternative view, they were so appalled they shredded the lot. So I dread to think what high school pupils were given. So that's the most important thing to make sure the children of this country are given a one sided biased view of the world and not just given both sides and allowed to make up their own minds. That's why 16 and 17 year olds were given the vote. But of course it was the no side who get accused of trying to rig the election.

I work in education and we were allowed to discuss the referendum but on no account allowed to push either the yes or no vote!
I'm sure that all councils in Scotland would have had the same policy. Teachers have to be unbiased in many areas that they teach so children being fed "Scottish Govt propaganda" is really a daft statement.

[johnxjsc1985]

imagineifyeswill said:

I am scottish born and bred lived in the Highlands all my days, I have voted in every election since I was 18 General, Local, Scottish, Europeanand Council, I have never voted for anyone other than the tory candidate, I cant even remember what the actual question asked in the 79 referendum was but I voted against it and voted no on Thursday, 2 days since the vote and already I feel we should have all voted yes and let the 45% get on with it because there never going to give up. If I could afford to retire now I would be on the first plane to the Canaries never to return.

This is what surprises me. I spent time at College in Scotland and I have Grandparents from Falkirk and I find the majority of Scottish people far more Conservative than people who vote conservative in England.I may be wide of the mark but the people of Glasgow who do not feel an affinity to the Queen or the flag of GB provided a huge number of Yes votes which distorts somewhat the overall feeling of the good people of Scotland. My contact with Scots over many years is that they are hard working decent people and Conservative with a small "C". don't let the mouthy fkers deprive you of your voice.

[alock]

Foppo said:

45% is a big minority.

Don't forget it was 45% of voters. Only 38% of the registered electorate and probably only 30-35% of voting eligible people.

[BooHoo]

Fordy Bob said:

I refer the learned gentelman to post timed at 19.16hrs

Um... OK.

[imagineifyeswill]

I dont for one minute regret voting no but one of the Yes campaigners favourite phrases was will off the people, but now that the will off the people was No they cant accept and the rest of us are going to have to put up with there whining for evermore. Ive never been totally against the idea of independence but Alex Salmond and cronies have never shown any workable plan or been able to truthfully answer any important questions, in my opinion voting for the unknown would be sheer stupidity, My other concern was that we hold a referendum on 18th September 2014 and become independent on 16th April 2016, that hardly enough time to organise a decent party far less set up workable functioning indepedent country. Had it been the vote this year but no actual stated time when independence would take effect but just when the facilities were in place for a seamless changeover whether that was 5,10 or even twenty years I think it may have made a big diiference to the way things turned out.

[s2art]

Fordy Bob said:

s2art said:

Perhaps because the plans for independence amounted to committing economic stupicide. Who could vote for that if they love their country?

Give us a break,with the you couldnt aford to go it alone crap,do you realy think the only reason Cameron didnt want to loose us was because he loved us so much,I think not.Two types of people voted No, rich folk and scared folk,already they are regreting what they did.

I didnt say you couldnt afford it. I said that the actual plan for independence was tantamount to committing economic stupicide. Sterlingisation would have bankrupted Scotland.

[Moonhawk]

ash73 said:

Fair enough, let's look at the previous 5 years here combined with 2012/2013 here



According to my sums, Scotland has provided 9.6% of revenue (including north sea oil), and received only 9.3% of expenditure.

But by your own figures -

1. Scotland is consistently spending far more than it is generating.
2. In two out of the six years - its expenditure as a percentage, exceeded its revenue generation.

Isn't it rather moot who spends what - when that spending is essentially going on a credit card.

It also shows the danger of relying on oil - the revenue is variable (and likely to decline). What happens when you start having more years of higher expenditure than revenue?

[Moonhawk]

NoNeed said:

so over the last 300 years the figures are?

....inconvenient, and therefore best ignored if anyone brings up the subject

You'll never get an answer - I have been asking the same question for months.

[johnxjsc1985]

Can someone who voted yes please tell me what was going to happen if they won.
We still don't know what would of happened if they couldn't have the "pound" and the membership of the EU was still in doubt as it is the UK that is a member not Scotland.Longterm I am not sure what would have happened but in the short term things looked pretty rocky.

[Fordy Bob]

imagineifyeswill said:

I dont for one minute regret voting no but one of the Yes campaigners favourite phrases was will off the people, but now that the will off the people was No they cant accept and the rest of us are going to have to put up with there whining for evermore. Ive never been totally against the idea of independence but Alex Salmond and cronies have never shown any workable plan or been able to truthfully answer any important questions, in my opinion voting for the unknown would be sheer stupidity, My other concern was that we hold a referendum on 18th September 2014 and become independent on 16th April 2016, that hardly enough time to organise a decent party far less set up workable functioning indepedent country. Had it been the vote this year but no actual stated time when independence would take effect but just when the facilities were in place for a seamless changeover whether that was 5,10 or even twenty years I think it may have made a big diiference to the way things turned out.

Two days after the vote you now think we should all have voted yes,the way I look at that you now must regret voting no?

[McWigglebum4th]

Fordy Bob said:

Give us a break,with the you couldnt aford to go it alone crap,do you realy think the only reason Cameron didnt want to loose us was because he loved us so much,I think not.Two types of people voted No, rich folk and scared folk,already they are regreting what they did.

I'm not rich

but i will admit i am fking terrified of you assholes and your ideas of fairness, freedom of speech, economics and democracy


i am sure in the name of fairness you would happily see me paying 99% tax and banned from voting or speaking as i disagree with king alex


You lost now fking deal with it


don't like the result then use your british passport and fk off out of my country


Oh and one more thing


Do please leave the saltire behind on the way out as it isn't yours its Scotlands

Edited by McWigglebum4th on Saturday 20th September 20:46

[johnxjsc1985]

Fordy Bob said:

Two days after the vote you now think we should all have voted yes,the way I look at that you now must regret voting no?

I don't get that from reading his post

[ExV8]

Why are the Yes camp so delusional?

Salmond knew the game was up, they had tried everything and failed. I cannot see a future for the SNP let alone another vote for independence, majority of Scots don't want it.

[ShaunTheSheep]

Troubleatmill said:

ash73 said:

Fair enough, let's look at the previous 5 years here combined with 2012/2013 here



According to my sums, Scotland has provided 9.6% of revenue (including north sea oil), and received only 9.3% of expenditure.

When politicians want to lie about something - they use percentages.
Look at it in £ terms.

Scotland contributes £317.1 Scotland gets £370.6

Scotland benefits by £53.5

It really is fking unfair... isn't it.

Eh? By that interesting logic rUK benefitted to the tune of around £700mm (which they didn't!!).

[Fordy Bob]

McWigglebum4th said:

I'm not rich

but i will admit i am fking terrified of you assholes and your ideas of fairness, freedom of speech, economics and democracy


i am sure in the name of fairness you would happily see me paying 99% tax and banned from voting or speaking as i disagree with king alex

"Classy"

[imagineifyeswill]

I in no way regret voting no, my point is if we all voted yes then we could sit back watching the debacle that would result showing proof that the no vote was correct all along.

[BooHoo]

This seems appropriate at the moment.

[McWigglebum4th]

Fordy Bob said:

"Classy"

I never claimed to be classy

i am however royally fking pissed off with your screams of DEMOCRACY and FREEDOM when you wish to ignore the voice of the majority of your fellow scots

[FredericRobinson]

The only thing that scared me about the whole business was the governing party in a western democracy staging a demonstration outside a broadcaster because it objected to the way it reported the news. That was deeply sinister and unprecedented, I'm not regretting the way I voted.