Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6
Discussion
johnxjsc1985 said:
Can someone who voted yes please tell me what was going to happen if they won.
We still don't know what would of happened if they couldn't have the "pound" and the membership of the EU was still in doubt as it is the UK that is a member not Scotland.Longterm I am not sure what would have happened but in the short term things looked pretty rocky.
Who knows for sure. Anyone will give you their flavour of long term. That's all it is though, much as any positive or negative will protest theirs was the one true outcome.We still don't know what would of happened if they couldn't have the "pound" and the membership of the EU was still in doubt as it is the UK that is a member not Scotland.Longterm I am not sure what would have happened but in the short term things looked pretty rocky.
The thing is, any plan formed at this stage has little real chance of surviving contact with reality.
All sorts of unpredictable influences would come into play. Big business chapping the door to persuade the creation of a tax haven on London's doorstep. Who knows if Eck would have licked his lips or given the stiff upper lip.
On the other side of the coin you have the economic hitmen to contend with and they're just about invisible so good luck with that.
The above is of course only my flavour and no more right or wrong than others pontificating in the absense of real events.
It's ultimately what swung me to a yes. I believe the question was not answerable by economic reasoning. Others disagree as is their right.
I voted no.
I am not rich, I am not afraid.
I voted no because I wanted to do what I felt was best for Scotland.
If people have a problem with that, it's their problem. Not mine.
It is a democratic free society, I have the right to vote whatever way I like.
To claim my vote is somehow wrong, because it's not the same as yours is frankly sad and pathetic.
I am not rich, I am not afraid.
I voted no because I wanted to do what I felt was best for Scotland.
If people have a problem with that, it's their problem. Not mine.
It is a democratic free society, I have the right to vote whatever way I like.
To claim my vote is somehow wrong, because it's not the same as yours is frankly sad and pathetic.
A.J.M said:
I voted no.
I am not rich, I am not afraid.
I voted no because I wanted to do what I felt was best for Scotland.
If people have a problem with that, it's their problem. Not mine.
It is a democratic free society, I have the right to vote whatever way I like.
To claim my vote is somehow wrong, because it's not the same as yours is frankly sad and pathetic.
Was ready to reply to the Fordy fella, but this answer is the exact same for me as well.I am not rich, I am not afraid.
I voted no because I wanted to do what I felt was best for Scotland.
If people have a problem with that, it's their problem. Not mine.
It is a democratic free society, I have the right to vote whatever way I like.
To claim my vote is somehow wrong, because it's not the same as yours is frankly sad and pathetic.
ShaunTheSheep said:
Who knows for sure. Anyone will give you their flavour of long term. That's all it is though, much as any positive or negative will protest theirs was the one true outcome.
The thing is, any plan formed at this stage has little real chance of surviving contact with reality.
All sorts of unpredictable influences would come into play. Big business chapping the door to persuade the creation of a tax haven on London's doorstep. Who knows if Eck would have licked his lips or given the stiff upper lip.
On the other side of the coin you have the economic hitmen to contend with and they're just about invisible so good luck with that.
The above is of course only my flavour and no more right or wrong than others pontificating in the absense of real events.
It's ultimately what swung me to a yes. I believe the question was not answerable by economic reasoning. Others disagree as is their right.
I personally think the UK struggles a bit because we are so small in real terms Scotland is but 10% or so in this modern world markets and Global inc's rule.If we didn't have such aThe thing is, any plan formed at this stage has little real chance of surviving contact with reality.
All sorts of unpredictable influences would come into play. Big business chapping the door to persuade the creation of a tax haven on London's doorstep. Who knows if Eck would have licked his lips or given the stiff upper lip.
On the other side of the coin you have the economic hitmen to contend with and they're just about invisible so good luck with that.
The above is of course only my flavour and no more right or wrong than others pontificating in the absense of real events.
It's ultimately what swung me to a yes. I believe the question was not answerable by economic reasoning. Others disagree as is their right.
holes in Westminster would the NO vote have been even biggerFredericRobinson said:
The only thing that scared me about the whole business was the governing party in a western democracy staging a demonstration outside a broadcaster because it objected to the way it reported the news. That was deeply sinister and unprecedented, I'm not regretting the way I voted.
What proof do you have that the SNP staged the demonstration you mentioned?A demonstration that may indeed not have happened had Nick Robinson of the said broadcaster not been caught out lieing on a national news cast.ash73 said:
Let's put that into context...
The only point I'm making really is Scotland is either a net beneficiary or net contributor depending on whether you include North Sea oil and gas, which I hadn't realised until I looked at the numbers. Whether they could survive on their own depends on future forecasts; and each side puts their own spin on that.
I thought that Scotland also benefitted greatly from the military presence as some sort of financial incentive.The only point I'm making really is Scotland is either a net beneficiary or net contributor depending on whether you include North Sea oil and gas, which I hadn't realised until I looked at the numbers. Whether they could survive on their own depends on future forecasts; and each side puts their own spin on that.
Fordy Bob said:
I can only assume you did not wittness the No voters in George Square last night giving Nazi salutes and burning Scottish flags.Yip they are realy "GOOD" people.
I can only assume you never witnessed the Yes voters burning the Union Flag the night before? Here, I shall even provide you with a picture to help.
Vipers said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
Can someone who voted yes please tell me what was going to happen if they won..
And the answer is no one can tell you, speculation, yes, nothing else.If it was a Yes, in 10 years we might have known what happened.
Scrubs said:
Fordy Bob said:
I can only assume you did not wittness the No voters in George Square last night giving Nazi salutes and burning Scottish flags.Yip they are realy "GOOD" people.
I can only assume you never witnessed the Yes voters burning the Union Flag the night before? Here, I shall even provide you with a picture to help.Fordy Bob said:
FredericRobinson said:
The only thing that scared me about the whole business was the governing party in a western democracy staging a demonstration outside a broadcaster because it objected to the way it reported the news. That was deeply sinister and unprecedented, I'm not regretting the way I voted.
What proof do you have that the SNP staged the demonstration you mentioned?A demonstration that may indeed not have happened had Nick Robinson of the said broadcaster not been caught out lieing on a national news cast.I'm another No voter, neither rich nor scared.
I can completely understand the poster above who is sick fed up hearing the constant whining and bhing about the result since Friday morning. The result is what it is. We need to move on now, channel the energy into something positive and heal the massive rift right down the country.
I'm already seeing nonsense on FB about voting the SNP into power so that we can have another referendum by 2018. Dear God, can we not just stop this right now before the rest of the UK thinks we're all fking mental.
I've had enough of this now. I love being Scottish, but right now, I'm just mortified by my own country.
I can completely understand the poster above who is sick fed up hearing the constant whining and b
hing about the result since Friday morning. The result is what it is. We need to move on now, channel the energy into something positive and heal the massive rift right down the country.I'm already seeing nonsense on FB about voting the SNP into power so that we can have another referendum by 2018. Dear God, can we not just stop this right now before the rest of the UK thinks we're all f
king mental.I've had enough of this now. I love being Scottish, but right now, I'm just mortified by my own country.
ash73 said:
plasticpig said:
That's one years figures. Do you make decisions based on one years figures?
Fair enough, let's look at the previous 5 years here combined with 2012/2013 here
According to my sums, Scotland has provided 9.6% of revenue (including north sea oil), and received only 9.3% of expenditure.
Congratulations for proving that Scotland is a drain on the rUK.
London424 said:
So according to your table including the best possible numbers for Scotland every single year more is spent than is generated.
Congratulations for proving that Scotland is a drain on the rUK.
I think the UK spends far more than it earns and has done for many years now hence the deficit.Congratulations for proving that Scotland is a drain on the rUK.
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