Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6

Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6

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Gaspode

4,167 posts

195 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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Twilkes said:
Is oil under the sea an actual asset? If it doesn't appear on a balance sheet somewhere, how would it be split? Or is it oil rights that would have to be split?
I would think it is the mineral rights that are the asset. The oil itself belongs to the company that extracts it. The important bit is the right to levy taxes on the extraction of that oil.

confused_buyer

6,610 posts

180 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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worsy said:
The consequence of all those jobs is a strain on resources. If we moved more jobs out then London would also get a better deal.
But that isn't easy. Business is attracted to where other people are - if they weren't there wouldn't be big cities.

Most jobs in London are not public sector - jobs go there because those providing them want to be there. It isn't a case of saying "you can't come to London, go to Liverpool instead" - they'll just go to New York.

What's the answer? Don't know, frankly, but the idea that everything is wonderful in London and crap everywhere else in the UK doesn't hold water IMO.

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

197 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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Twilkes said:
Is oil under the sea an actual asset? If it doesn't appear on a balance sheet somewhere, how would it be split? Or is it oil rights that would have to be split?
Well its owned by the licence holders ie BP or Shell etc. Unless of course Salmond thinks he will strip the licences issued.

Silverbullet767

10,680 posts

205 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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Just watched channel 4 news and they were talking to some 16/17 year olds, some bright cookies on there, but some other facebook/twitter generation are just believing everything they hear. It's cool to be a yes apparently. Scary.

davepoth

29,395 posts

198 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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worsy said:
The consequence of all those jobs is a strain on resources. If we moved more jobs out then London would also get a better deal.
How?

I'd really like to know. London is so big and so important (not just to the UK) that it has critical mass - even if the Government moved every job they could out of Westminster to the provinces, leaving just the parliament offices, the jobs and property markets would barely notice.

The trick is to try and stop London acting like a magnet by making other parts of the country more attractive, rather than trying to make London worse.

Starfighter

4,908 posts

177 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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Will you lot please slow down. I had a busy day and am now 20 odd pages behind....!

PRTVR

7,072 posts

220 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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Silverbullet767 said:
Just watched channel 4 news and they were talking to some 16/17 year olds, some bright cookies on there, but some other facebook/twitter generation are just believing everything they hear. It's cool to be a yes apparently. Scary.
Just the reason they got the vote, to balance out the old folk, who will see through all the lies..... well most of them anyway.

citizensm1th

8,371 posts

136 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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I will be very sad if its a no vote

BrownBottle

1,365 posts

135 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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TankRizzo said:
V8RX7 said:
Everyone I've spoken to thinks the same - how can anyone make a decision when there are no facts ?
I posted that, and not one of the nats replied to me. Which says it all really.
If you meant this post

Tankrizzo said:
BrownBottle said:
Absolutely nothing Rollin, it's fine to hold that view but some people would just prefer Scotland to be in charge of its own destiny for better or worse.
Wouldn't you rather be in full possession of the facts before making such a huge decision?

That is what most of us in here are on about. Not being "pro-union" or "pro-yes" or "pro-Westminster". If you guys want to go it alone then more power to you. But most of us can't understand why you would do so on the back of being fed misinformation by the SNP and lacking even the most basic facts about how Scotland will function.

10 days to go. Not even any idea about which currency an independent Scotland will use. No idea about how it will construct central services or pay for them. No mapping has seemingly been done at all about how things will work. Just Alex Salmond saying "it will be ok in the long run" and "we will get a currency union" and "we will join the EU" and "we will join NATO" when the people who are in possession of the facts have already ruled those things out, if not forever then for a long, long time.

The people who vote 'No' know what they are voting for. Do the 'Yes' camp have any idea of what their cross in the box actually means?
All fair points, doesn't make the decision any easier.

a311

5,789 posts

176 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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Having just watched back to back news broadcasts it has sunk in with me that if it's a no vote it won't be long until there's another referendum in the not too distant future. I'm not sure on the legalities of this but can just see it happening.

To this end I can't be bothered with the issue dragging on coming back in 5, 10, 15 years plus time, so I'll say goodbye and good luck. The arguments have been made and it's just not going in is it? I'd be fooking stting myself if I lived in Scotland and had a mortgage and a pension etc and worry about my family up there so any schadenfreude that I might have been tempted to tort when it goes tits up will rein this back in.

What all this has made me realise that you've got a pretty decent deal up in Scotland as it is-really it is the best of both worlds. People are eating the SNP's ste and asking for more, I hope if the Yes votes win it the rUK government takes the hardest line possible when it comes to pulling up chairs at the negotiating table.


TankRizzo

7,247 posts

192 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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BrownBottle said:
All fair points, doesn't make the decision any easier.
If you are prepared to accept the massive risk of everything going tits-up then fair play to you for still voting Yes with no plan. I would be too risk-averse to make such a leap.

V8RX7

26,763 posts

262 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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TankRizzo said:
V8RX7 said:
Everyone I've spoken to thinks the same - how can anyone make a decision when there are no facts ?
I posted that, and not one of the nats replied to me. Which says it all really.
I know, I couldn't just quote as the thread was closed.

Munter

31,319 posts

240 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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confused_buyer said:
but the idea that everything is wonderful in London and crap everywhere else in the UK doesn't hold water IMO.
One only has to visit said st hole to realise that. London really would be a last resort for working or living in.

And I say that living in Wolverhampton....

johnnyBv8

2,417 posts

190 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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After doing a lot of reading (independent sources, as I was conscious it was too easy to read stuff that simply reinforced your view), I'm certain that a yes vote is the worst possible outcome for Scotland. Whilst economics may not be everyone's priority, it ultimately affects almost everyone and everything, and the sad reality is that people are voting 'yes' for a 10-15 year recession.

Lefty

16,131 posts

201 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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TankRizzo said:
If you are prepared to accept the massive risk of everything going tits-up then fair play to you for still voting Yes with no plan. I would be too risk-averse to make such a leap.
This is exactly my viewpoint. It's all about risk.

I described (via Facebook) a yes vote as a small chance of a small chance improvement against a huge chance of huge downturn.

I got called a knob in return.

A.J.M

7,893 posts

185 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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I've noticed the NO side on fb has taken an upwords turn, more people are coming out as NO voters.

I'm still 60-40 for a no win.

anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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I think most English would prefer a yes vote than pay bribes for a no..
Will make some good entertainment for a few years too ..

worsy

5,776 posts

174 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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davepoth said:
worsy said:
The consequence of all those jobs is a strain on resources. If we moved more jobs out then London would also get a better deal.
How?

I'd really like to know. London is so big and so important (not just to the UK) that it has critical mass - even if the Government moved every job they could out of Westminster to the provinces, leaving just the parliament offices, the jobs and property markets would barely notice.

The trick is to try and stop London acting like a magnet by making other parts of the country more attractive, rather than trying to make London worse.
I don't know but there must be carrot and stick? Tax the floor space, offer reductions elsewhere. Promote more flexible WFH, with tax breaks for employers. Maybe the touted federalisation works? Lower CT in the provinces.

S13_Alan

1,324 posts

242 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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A.J.M said:
I've noticed the NO side on fb has taken an upwords turn, more people are coming out as NO voters.

I'm still 60-40 for a no win.
Very much so. The last few nights, although anger inducing, has been quite encouraging with the number of people now taking a bit of a stand and speaking up.

I've found if you ask a difficult question they just do as Alex did and ignore you, or answer something else.

Know you're close to me, so have you seen the number of lamp posts they've managed to put those signs on? It's insane. Almost every one for a mile and a half through the village I'm in. Ironic that if they spent the same amount of time demanding answers from the SNP as that we would all be in a better place.

Rollin

6,077 posts

244 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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Galloway is moaning that he got bumped off QT tomorrow by the SNP.
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