Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6

[Rollin]

The '45' thing is comical. I bet most of the yes voters just accept the result and move on. The '45' don't represent all yes voters, just the whining, bad loser element. Probably 7%, but they never were any good at maths. It's a shame that it is putting Scotland in a bad light (the world is watching remember), they are an embarrassment.

[Jader1973]

Rick_1138 said:

I did get a laugh d a slight shudder of fear yesterday when I read that Reichsfurer Salmond (Hence he shall be known) has now said that Referendum was only one way to Scottish Independence, he shoes that as it was the finest but now if the SNP get a majority in the Scottish elections, then they can become independent that way....I wasn't quite sure how that worked.

However this also means that independence through violence may also be a 'way' to independence.

The sooner that man gets found out the better.

What his ramblings do provide insight into is that the SNP is not really a proper political party. It is in fact run by Salmond and they do as he says. He is therefore free to say whatever he wants at the moment because no one will challenge him.

Proper political parties have people who make sure everyone, leader included, tows the party line. If the SNP had such people Salmond would have been told to [Malcolm tucker] Shut the fk up and fk the fk off[/Malcolm Tucker] to avoid making them look like s who can't accept the will of the people.

Unfortunately for them Salmond rules the party and as a result they now look like a bunch of s who can't accept the will of the people.

The new leader will have to do a bit of PR work, while being hindered by Salmond lobbing grenades from the back benches. You only need to look at the Rudd/Gillard mess in the Australian Labor party to see how well that works out.

[Edinburger]

arp1 said:

For all the Snp bashing on here, they have been (so far) the best governt we have had in Scotland in terms of what they achieved. They have been able to provide, through good choices made in using their pocket money wisely, good services for the Scottish people. Services that rUK bleat about but they too could have same said services of the government choose to provide it. Would we have had Homecoming Scotland events and other events promoting Scotland under the other main parties in Scotland? Probably not, so the Snp so far has given Scotland a voice in the cacophony of back slapping and back stabbing world of uk politics.

As for Scotland being a sideshow now, quite possibly, but just wait for when more of said unionist promises are broken time and time again, the next General Election will be very different. All the 'scaremongering Snp' stories seem to be proving right as well. The people of Scotland were duped by a mad dash at the end and pensioners (we have an ageing population mind) scared re. Pensions and services, those who are not on t'internet and have to rely on biased media. It really is a poor do.

I challenge anyone to come back at me and provide evidence that the promises are and will be upheld.

Aye, aye, you make some good points which I agree with.

Your post will be shot down though. There's a lot of frustration to having no viable alternative to Lib/Lab/Con in Engerlandshire.

[Edinburger]

barryrs said:

I hear Mr Murray is distancing himself from his tweet on the radio this morning.

You can tweet on the radio? LOL

[Edinburger]

MintyChris said:

hornetrider said:

My first post on these independence threads.

Why on earth are yes voters continuing to bang on about this? A referendum was held, was lost by 10 points, issue done surely? Democracy has spoken. You can't disagree just because you voted yes, the majority voted no and that's that.

Regarding the additional devolved powers, do people really envision that this would be able to happen the next day? These are important constituional issues that need to be worked through in a thorough, professional manner. Have patience, and it will be sorted out.

Jesus titty fking christ.

Yes it would have taken years to get Independence but they want devolved powers yesterday.

My main concern now is that yes votes will be turned into SNP votes. This is going to help keep this shambles of a government in power in Scotland.

Why do you think there is a "shambles of a government in power in Scotland"

[Edinburger]

A.J.M said:

Someone local to me plastered the local builders signs with yes stickers.

Got to be a sore point seeing them all and being reminding they were outvoted...

Im still see flags, posters and stickers for both sides of the campaign and still Yes cars. But to be fair, they are removing a lot of the more prominent ones. At least they'll not be left to rot.

[Moonhawk]

Edinburger said:

Im still see flags, posters and stickers for both sides of the campaign and still Yes cars. But to be fair, they are removing a lot of the more prominent ones. At least they'll not be left to rot.

"Yes........predictably we lost"

[Edinburger]

Jader1973 said:

What his ramblings do provide insight into is that the SNP is not really a proper political party. It is in fact run by Salmond and they do as he says. He is therefore free to say whatever he wants at the moment because no one will challenge him.

Proper political parties have people who make sure everyone, leader included, tows the party line. If the SNP had such people Salmond would have been told to [Malcolm tucker] Shut the fk up and fk the fk off[/Malcolm Tucker] to avoid making them look like s who can't accept the will of the people.

Unfortunately for them Salmond rules the party and as a result they now look like a bunch of s who can't accept the will of the people.

The new leader will have to do a bit of PR work, while being hindered by Salmond lobbing grenades from the back benches. You only need to look at the Rudd/Gillard mess in the Australian Labor party to see how well that works out.

Any evidence of this line of thought? Or do you just invent thoughts and pretend they're real life?

[Moonhawk]

Another new Facebook group has popped up entitled "Independence 2.0"

https://www.facebook.com/ScottishIndependence2

They ask the question:

"If Westminster Torys (Torys that neither the Yes or NO camp voted for) renege on all or a substantial part of their promise of more powers for Scotland, would you agree or disagree that the SNP - if they achieve an overall majority - should make a declaration of Independence part of their next or subsequent election promise?"

I wonder - does that work the other way too. What would have happened if Scotland had become independent, or does via unilateral declaration - and then all or a substantial number of the promises in the SNPs white paper were not delivered (e.g. currency union, immediate entry into Europe, every person £X better off, trident out etc).

Something tells me not.

[PugwasHDJ80]

Edinburger said:

arp1 said:

For all the Snp bashing on here, they have been (so far) the best governt we have had in Scotland in terms of what they achieved. They have been able to provide, through good choices made in using their pocket money wisely, good services for the Scottish people. Services that rUK bleat about but they too could have same said services of the government choose to provide it. Would we have had Homecoming Scotland events and other events promoting Scotland under the other main parties in Scotland? Probably not, so the Snp so far has given Scotland a voice in the cacophony of back slapping and back stabbing world of uk politics.

As for Scotland being a sideshow now, quite possibly, but just wait for when more of said unionist promises are broken time and time again, the next General Election will be very different. All the 'scaremongering Snp' stories seem to be proving right as well. The people of Scotland were duped by a mad dash at the end and pensioners (we have an ageing population mind) scared re. Pensions and services, those who are not on t'internet and have to rely on biased media. It really is a poor do.

I challenge anyone to come back at me and provide evidence that the promises are and will be upheld.

Aye, aye, you make some good points which I agree with.

Your post will be shot down though. There's a lot of frustration to having no viable alternative to Lib/Lab/Con in Engerlandshire.

no, there's a lot of frustration that you tie up time and money for two years on a final vote, and then don't shut up about it.

All of us brits have better and more important things to worry about now- so lets get on with fixing the WHOLE of country not just one small bit of it.

[McWigglebum4th]

Edinburger said:

Any evidence of this line of thought? Or do you just invent thoughts and pretend they're real life?

http://www.jackiebaillie.co.uk/uploads/94f6fd62-6827-e0d4-2127-a0fada8bcb3e.pdf

they are fking useless

And that is being kind

[eztiger]

Edinburger said:

Why do you think there is a "shambles of a government in power in Scotland"

They have just torn the country in two. And are continuing to push down that path of division.

If that's what gets your vote, so be it. It doesn't get mine.

[YankeePorker]

arp1 said:

All I have seen so far is squabbling and parties not agreeing to everything, especially with the 'England thing', and it seems to me that if the 'England thing' isn't sorted out, neither will the Scottish promises be fulfilled.

That's exactly as it should be IMO.

[McWigglebum4th]

eztiger said:

Edinburger said:

Why do you think there is a "shambles of a government in power in Scotland"

They have just torn the country in two. And are continuing to push down that path of division.

If that's what gets your vote, so be it. It doesn't get mine.

And they are seriously considering going independent anyway despite less the 40% of the electorate in scotland want independence

They are acting like a 3rd world tinpot dictator line

[Edinburger]

YankeePorker said:

arp1 said:

All I have seen so far is squabbling and parties not agreeing to everything, especially with the 'England thing', and it seems to me that if the 'England thing' isn't sorted out, neither will the Scottish promises be fulfilled.

That's exactly as it should be IMO.

Why?

The "England thing" has been a long running issue which no one could be bothered addressing before now.

To be fair to Cameron, one positive outcome of the Scottish independence referendum will be an improved UK-wide political system - if it goes aheaad, of course.

[A.J.M]

Edinburger said:

A.J.M said:

Someone local to me plastered the local builders signs with yes stickers.

Got to be a sore point seeing them all and being reminding they were outvoted...

Im still see flags, posters and stickers for both sides of the campaign and still Yes cars. But to be fair, they are removing a lot of the more prominent ones. At least they'll not be left to rot.

Agreed.
Some have been taken down, loads still remain on lamp posts etc.
The ones on signs and billboards will remain for a while though.

[eztiger]

McWigglebum4th said:

And they are seriously considering going independent anyway despite less the 40% of the electorate in scotland want independence

They are acting like a 3rd world tinpot dictator line

Other than the uncertainty of them merely suggesting it, I wouldn't worry about that. It's not a feasible solution and they know it. A sure-fire way not to get control of any of their precious oil.

[arp1]

IF it goes ahead... And the promises promises to the no voters should not be based on the 'England thing' being passed as well as that was not part of the 'deal'... And the 'deal' was made as the yes side of the 'polls' were rising and rising so the no side had to make some sort of deal I entice no voters to stay no voters. But if they renage then the surge of Scottish nationalism as opposed to Britnat will rise again (and be a nation again dadadadada.....)

[PugwasHDJ80]

Edinburger said:

YankeePorker said:

arp1 said:

All I have seen so far is squabbling and parties not agreeing to everything, especially with the 'England thing', and it seems to me that if the 'England thing' isn't sorted out, neither will the Scottish promises be fulfilled.

That's exactly as it should be IMO.

Why?

The "England thing" has been a long running issue which no one could be bothered addressing before now.

To be fair to Cameron, one positive outcome of the Scottish independence referendum will be an improved UK-wide political system - if it goes aheaad, of course.

Whatever else happens, and whatever your thoughts on the subject the politicians made promises to the Scottish people which they MUST keep. If they shouldn't made those promises then we need to vote them all out- but as a matter of trust, they need to deliver on what they promised.

They then need to fix devolution around the rest of the country, but delaying Scottish matters is not acceptable.

Scotland voted to stay and its up to all of us to ensure they feel part of the UK again, and that the damage done isn't irreparable.

[arp1]

Ps, precious oil... Once it's gone in the next 50-100+ years, THEN independence will happen as rUK wouldn't need Scotland anymore...