Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6

[blinkythefish]

arp1 said:

Ps, precious oil... Once it's gone in the next 50-100+ years, THEN independence will happen as rUK wouldn't need Scotland anymore...

yeah, those clever psychics in the victorian era, hanging on to Scotland cause the they knew it would have oil eventually. How big a percentage of the UK economy do you think the oil is?

[Mr_B]

grand cherokee said:

a friend has just told me that some of the Facebook groups are getting really threatening - I don't go near Faceache as it bores the life out of me

anyway, apparently some are saying Scotland will get independence either by the ballot box or the bullet!!

this harks back to over twenty years ago when the Tartan Army burnt down holiday homes owned by the English

I fear its only going to get worse with further divisions within Scotland - a rift has occurred which I feel its now impossible to heal - a divided and hateful 'nation'

The Facebook generation by Mr Stanhope.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPNWRoVR750

[Moonhawk]

blinkythefish said:

yeah, those clever psychics in the victorian era, hanging on to Scotland cause the they knew it would have oil eventually. How big a percentage of the UK economy do you think the oil is?

Maybe England knew about the oil all along - but just kept it secret from the Scots.

Queen Anne didn't happen to make a 'secret trip' to Shetland in 1706 did she

Edited by Moonhawk on Tuesday 23 September 13:43

[Big Rod]

arp1 said:

Ps, precious oil... Once it's gone in the next 50-100+ years, THEN independence will happen as rUK wouldn't need Scotland anymore...

If you look at it that way then why was there a union for 260 odd years before oil was found/extracted?

[Langweilig]

Billy Connolly warns David Cameron over Scottish independence.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/video-news/video...

[fluffnik]

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[hornetrider]

fluffnik said:

All of them, and no interference from Westminster.

You realise your entire nation was asked this question, and the majority responded no?

Do you not respect their answer?

[McWigglebum4th]

fluffnik said:

All of them, and no interference from Westminster.

What do you think of Jim Sillars saying scotland should declare independence AGAINST the democratic will of the people who live in scotland

[Rick_1138]

McWigglebum4th said:

fluffnik said:

All of them, and no interference from Westminster.

What do you think of Jim Sillars saying scotland should declare independence AGAINST the democratic will of the people who live in scotland

I think he should be brought to task for basically sacking off with democracy because they didn't get what they wanted.

I can only assume the SNP believes it can get a majority in the 'Westminster' parliament, then they can do what they like.

However if its just another majority Scottish parliament, they can whistle Dixie if they think the 55% who voted No are going to let the SNP dictate what happens to them.

[arp1]

Who would you rather have in power in Holyrood? Labour? Tory? Lib dem? Hahaha! What a joke!

[eztiger]

arp1 said:

Who would you rather have in power in Holyrood? Labour? Tory? Lib dem? Hahaha! What a joke!

I'd rather close holyrood down and hand the lot back down south. I wouldn't bat an eyelid.

[NoNeed]

arp1 said:

Who would you rather have in power in Holyrood? Labour? Tory? Lib dem? Hahaha! What a joke!

It would be demolished if I had my way, I see no need for it at all.

[Moonhawk]

fluffnik said:

All of them, and no interference from Westminster.

Scotland was offered all of them - and rejected that offer. What is on the table is a subset of powers - which have yet to be defined formally.

So - on that basis, if you had to choose say half a dozen powers that it is in Westminster's power to grant to the devolved Scottish government, but which are also in line with the democratic will of Scotoand's majority - what would they be?

[Rick_1138]

arp1 said:

Who would you rather have in power in Holyrood? Labour? Tory? Lib dem? Hahaha! What a joke!

The whole point of the Scottish parliament set-up was that it was exected to have coalition governments due to not using first past the post.

However the SNP in majority government have done things like appoint a speaker who was also SNP, (only doable with a majority and usually frowned upon in governments), and a few other points mentioned a few pages back.

I am not saying any party is great, but the SNP are hardly a shining example of perfect political outlook.

Also if you can explain how having 22% of the vote (SNP) leads to a majority, yet 17% of the vote (Tory) gets 1 seat, I am yet to work out how the SNP feels it has, or should be allowed, carte blanche to do what it likes.

Also threatening to make a country, that has shown it doesn't want to be, independent , doesn't fill me with a great belief they deserve power any more than anyone else.

What's wrong with a lib-dem, labour SNP coalition? Apart from constant screaming at each other and nothing getting done. Also lest wait and see where the proposed NHS Scotland cuts that were held until after the referendum appear that the SNP have planned, or will that be Westminster's fault too?

Because contrary to what you believe not all of us think that fringe parties running the nation could do any better job than the usual big 3, lets see how the greens run a country, as that worked out so well for Brighton council.

[paulrockliffe]

Rick_1138 said:

I can only assume the SNP believes it can get a majority in the 'Westminster' parliament, then they can do what they like.

If they campaigned in constituencies outside of Scotland on a ticket of Scottish Independence they might have some success with that.....

[Moonhawk]

arp1 said:

Who would you rather have in power in Holyrood? Labour? Tory? Lib dem? Hahaha! What a joke!

Scotland had no problem voting for Labour before Holyrood was set up - so why would it now? Lib Dem support in Scotland has also been relatively high (comparable to the level of support the SNP got at the 2010 general election).

[Rick_1138]

As an aside, I heard on the radio that the SNP is now the 3rd largest party but I didn't catch if that was in Scotland alone or the UK as a whole, as if its the UK that's a surprise...and a bit scary.

[Munter]

Rick_1138 said:

As an aside, I heard on the radio that the SNP is now the 3rd largest party but I didn't catch if that was in Scotland alone or the UK as a whole, as if its the UK that's a surprise...and a bit scary.

UK as a whole I believe.

However all it really shows is how few members the main parties have. Plenty of voters, but few signed up members.

[London424]

NoNeed said:

arp1 said:

Who would you rather have in power in Holyrood? Labour? Tory? Lib dem? Hahaha! What a joke!

It would be demolished if I had my way, I see no need for it at all.

Is this was a building that was budgeted for 10 - 40 million and ended up costing 400+ million. And also costs about 1.5 mil per year in maintenance?



Good value for money that.

[anonymous-user]

Rovinghawk said:

Burger/ARP/Fluffnik/others-

Please answer me this one simple question. Do you want Scottish independence or do you want the democratically expressed will of the Scottish people?

Did I miss the answer?