Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6

[paulrockliffe]

Rick_1138 said:

I can only assume the SNP believes it can get a majority in the 'Westminster' parliament, then they can do what they like.

If they campaigned in constituencies outside of Scotland on a ticket of Scottish Independence they might have some success with that.....

[Moonhawk]

arp1 said:

Who would you rather have in power in Holyrood? Labour? Tory? Lib dem? Hahaha! What a joke!

Scotland had no problem voting for Labour before Holyrood was set up - so why would it now? Lib Dem support in Scotland has also been relatively high (comparable to the level of support the SNP got at the 2010 general election).

[Rick_1138]

As an aside, I heard on the radio that the SNP is now the 3rd largest party but I didn't catch if that was in Scotland alone or the UK as a whole, as if its the UK that's a surprise...and a bit scary.

[Munter]

Rick_1138 said:

As an aside, I heard on the radio that the SNP is now the 3rd largest party but I didn't catch if that was in Scotland alone or the UK as a whole, as if its the UK that's a surprise...and a bit scary.

UK as a whole I believe.

However all it really shows is how few members the main parties have. Plenty of voters, but few signed up members.

[London424]

NoNeed said:

arp1 said:

Who would you rather have in power in Holyrood? Labour? Tory? Lib dem? Hahaha! What a joke!

It would be demolished if I had my way, I see no need for it at all.

Is this was a building that was budgeted for 10 - 40 million and ended up costing 400+ million. And also costs about 1.5 mil per year in maintenance?



Good value for money that.

[anonymous-user]

Rovinghawk said:

Burger/ARP/Fluffnik/others-

Please answer me this one simple question. Do you want Scottish independence or do you want the democratically expressed will of the Scottish people?

Did I miss the answer?

[Moonhawk]

London424 said:

Is this was a building that was budgeted for 10 - 40 million and ended up costing 400+ million. And also costs about 1.5 mil per year in maintenance?

You mean one building cost double the SNP's projected setup cost for iScotland?

And nats have the audacity to accuse the BBC/Westminster of telling porkies

[Moonhawk]

Jimboka said:

Did I miss the answer?

No - they just filed it under F for "F#ck You" with the rest of the nationalists 'answers' to simple, straight questions.

[Mrr T]

PugwasHDJ80 said:

Mrr T said:

PugwasHDJ80 said:

Whatever else happens, and whatever your thoughts on the subject the politicians made promises to the Scottish people which they MUST keep. If they shouldn't made those promises then we need to vote them all out- but as a matter of trust, they need to deliver on what they promised.

They then need to fix devolution around the rest of the country, but delaying Scottish matters is not acceptable.

Scotland voted to stay and its up to all of us to ensure they feel part of the UK again, and that the damage done isn't irreparable.

Have you not worked out we live in a democracy. CamMilCleg can promise what they like but to be delivered then a bill must pass Westminster.

I disagree both with any further devolution to Scotland with out resolving the English issue and enshrining the Barnett formula in law. I will therefore be voting for any one who will defends my interest.

CamMilCleg made a promise the English did not.

We don't live in a true democracy, but actually in a representative democracy. The crucial difference is that out democracy is expressed every five years and we invest in parliament the right to do whatever they want for those five years.

If that parliament makes promises in our name then yep we are bound by them no matter how much you dislike them.

I agree with yo feelings entirely, but have a stronger feeling that politicians should honor their obligations, and that in this case failing to honour these obligations would be disastrous.

The point you miss is parliament did not make the pledge. The pledge was made by CamMilCleg. At no time did they consult their parties, the whips or the English electorate.

CMD has now returned to Westminster and found his party does not support the pledge. Even Mil does not have his full party support, particularly on the Barnett formula. I think we can ignore Cleg since they will have minimal influence after the next election.

I agree CMD needs to try and honour his pledge but with UKIP waiting to jump on the English question, and the Barnett formula and an election due in 2015. He will never get his party to support it, with out solving the English question and the inequality of the Barnett formula, because they will then be wiped out in the election.

I think it will quickly become clear CMD will not be able to get any legislation on further devolution without the votes of the Labour party, No leader can do that and not face a leadership challenge.

I think CMD will be gone by the beginning of next year. A new leader of the Conservative party would then not be bound by the pledge.

[Moonhawk]

Mrr T said:

The point you miss is parliament did not make the pledge. The pledge was made by CamMilCleg. At no time did they consult their parties, the whips or the English electorate.

It was a mistake to do so IMO. They should have held their nerve - a No vote was a virtual dead cert anyway, all of the evidence on the runup to the vote indicated that - and looking at the poll results after the promise - it appeared to make no difference anyway.

What the promise has done though, is given the nats one more item to add to their victim list (we were tricked - blah f#cking blah) - and something that the nats can scream blue bloody murder over if what it ultimately delivered doesn't meet with their approval (which it won't).

Despite the fact that the promise of extra powers should have made things better (that is afterall one of the options that Salmond wanted in the referendum in the first place) - it has IMO actually made things worse. The nats want the world in a silver quaich.

I was all for the union right up until the vote and it came as a relief on the morning that the results were announced - but the incessant whining and victim-hood continues - and to be honest - i'm now wishing it had gone the other way.

[fluffnik]

Rovinghawk said:

Burger/ARP/Fluffnik/others-

Please answer me this one simple question. Do you want Scottish independence or do you want the democratically expressed will of the Scottish people?

Both, it's only a 6% swing away.

And since SNP support has exceeded 49% post refererendum that doesn't seem too ambitious...

[Rovinghawk]

fluffnik said:

it's only a 6% swing away. ...

Newsflash- the vote was taken, your side lost.

Do you accept democracy or do you insist on independence?

(Thank you for answering, btw)

[fluffnik]

Moonhawk said:

I was all for the union right up until the vote and it came as a relief on the morning that the results were announced - but the incessant whining and victim-hood continues - and to be honest - i'm now wishing it had gone the other way.

Good.

The purpose of the exercise is to end the UK after all.

[fluffnik]

Rovinghawk said:

fluffnik said:

it's only a 6% swing away. ...

Newsflash- the vote was taken, your side lost.

Do you accept democracy or do you insist on independence?

That vote was lost, the next one wont be, so we'll get both democracy and independence.

[Rovinghawk]

fluffnik said:

That vote was lost, the next one wont be, so we'll get both democracy and independence.

When is this 'next one' of which you speak?

[hantsxlg]

fluffnik,
do you work for the EU?
Keep on asking the same question until you get the answer you want and then stop.

The 55 won. the 45 lost... move on and try and make Scotland, and the UK prosper.

[WinstonWolf]

fluffnik said:

Rovinghawk said:

fluffnik said:

it's only a 6% swing away. ...

Newsflash- the vote was taken, your side lost.

Do you accept democracy or do you insist on independence?

That vote was lost, the next one wont be, so we'll get both democracy and independence.

There will not be another vote in your lifetime you sad deluded fool.

[fluffnik]

doogz said:

fluffnik said:

Both, it's only a 6% swing away.

And since SNP support has exceeded 49% post refererendum that doesn't seem too ambitious...

So basically you won't accept the result of any referendum, until it says what you want it to say?

Do you change your political views to suit the result of the previous vote?

Me neither.

doogz said:

It's done. There are a lot of people making a lot of noise about it, but it was all agreed before the referendum, once in a generation chance, yes or no.

Not by me.

I've never felt British, I've never had any affection for the state, the UKofGB&NI, which I've always considered an interloper of ill intent in my country.

I'm not going to miss any opportunity to be rid of it.

[hornetrider]

fluffnik said:

That vote was lost, the next one wont be, so we'll get both democracy and independence.

You got democracy this time dipst.

[WinstonWolf]

fluffnik said:

Not by me.

I've never felt British, I've never had any affection for the state, the UKofGB&NI, which I've always considered an interloper of ill intent in my country.

I'm not going to miss any opportunity to be rid of it.

I can see why the term Jockroach was coined now...