Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6

[Rovinghawk]

fluffnik said:

The first stage is to remove as many Unionist MPs as possible next May, ideally causing a complete and permanent collapse of the Labour Party and LibDems in Scotland, the second is to get >50% support in the 2016 Holyrood elections for pro-independence candidates/parties on a pro-independence platform.

What I asked was: when is this next vote you talk about?

fluffnik said:

1.6 million of us are going to make sure the Union gets the blame for everything, even on the odd occasion it's blameless.

A country founded on deception & lies. If you can't see the problem with that then I won't be able to explain it to you.

[alfaspecial]

In 1979 there was a Scottish referendum on devolution (which was perceived as a stepping stone to independence).
The results* were YES 52% NO 48%

The 2014 independence referendum results were YES 45% NO 55%

Conclusion: Maybe it's not the UK that's going t*ts up - it's the SNP





The electoral rules stated that indipendence required a minimum of 40% of the electorate to vote YES.

[Moonhawk]

fluffnik said:

I think an indisputable popular mandate for independence will be demonstrated at 2016's Holyrood elections, a considerable distaste for lying Unionist politicians having been demonstrated next May.

I'd have thought lying politicians would be right up your street considering:

fluffnik said:

1.6 million of us are going to make sure the Union gets the blame for everything, even on the odd occasion it's blameless.

Yet again a nat demonstrates hypocrisy - 'we hate liers - unless they are lying to promote our cause'

This really is a joke

Edited by Moonhawk on Wednesday 24th September 07:51

[Rovinghawk]

fluffnik said:

I think an indisputable popular mandate for independence will be demonstrated at 2016's Holyrood elections,

You thought that about last week's referendum, too.

[A.J.M]

1.6 million people included people who have never voted before and lots of people who have never worked a day in their lives.
Ask me how I know that. Just ask...

Most of them won't give a fk to vote for normal elections. There will be plenty of us to keep a unionist party in.

I'm sure I said in another thread, democracy and the settled will is only the case if it goes your way.

Please stop. Your beyond making a total arse of yourself and it's getting cringeworthy now.



However, my English mates think that a Indy Scotland should change the national anthem to this..
http://youtu.be/0lPQZni7I18

Replace the line "I bought it, to i nationalised it" and we are done!

[WinstonWolf]

NoNeed said:

Funk said:

I don't think I can take much more of this level of idiocy from Fluffnik and xjsdriver.

Yestapo goons - you're fking Scotland badly. Your fellow countrymen voted no. It's the settled will of the Scottish people. Settled.

Any more of this crap threatens relations, trade, investment and jobs (as if it hasn't done so enough already).

We get you. You don't like it. Tough, that's democracy in action. It's fairness.

Please just shut up and fk off now. It's done. Over.

Let it go.

I find their ignorance hard to believe. Before the vote our wiggy used to talk of a situation akin to the one in northern Ireland, I am starting to believe these people are big enough fking idiots to do it.

fluffnik said:

Bwaah

Fluff on hearing that his fellow countrymen don't want independence.

[Chlamydia]

NoNeed said:

I find their ignorance hard to believe. Before the vote our wiggy used to talk of a situation akin to the one in northern Ireland, I am starting to believe these people are big enough fking idiots to do it.

I'm starting to believe it too. I've also heard it mentioned elsewhere than here that all this referendum would do is create a Yes/No form of sectarianism and that if the No side won, violence wouldn't be far behind. Personally I didn't believe it but after seeing the utter refusal of the Nats to accept the democratic decision of their fellow countrymen I'm not so sure now.
I think with idiots like fluff and driver around spreading their bile it's only a matter of time before the first Yes supporter bombs a government building, or a No supporter bombs an SNP building. And when that time comes, fluff and driver, any deaths or injuries will be partly on your heads, because rather than try to use the system you've just decided you don't like it so you'd rather destroy it. Not that you care as you've repeatedly shown your utter contempt for your fellow countrymen.

[Efbe]

Chlamydia said:

I'm starting to believe it too. I've also heard it mentioned elsewhere than here that all this referendum would do is create a Yes/No form of sectarianism and that if the No side won, violence wouldn't be far behind. Personally I didn't believe it but after seeing the utter refusal of the Nats to accept the democratic decision of their fellow countrymen I'm not so sure now.
I think with idiots like fluff and driver around spreading their bile it's only a matter of time before the first Yes supporter bombs a government building, or a No supporter bombs an SNP building. And when that time comes, fluff and driver, any deaths or injuries will be partly on your heads, because rather than try to use the system you've just decided you don't like it so you'd rather destroy it. Not that you care as you've repeatedly shown your utter contempt for your fellow countrymen.

no, you are being quite pathetically over the top tbh.

there is some merit to the idea this could potentially create dangerous sectarianism. but blaming on a couple of posters is childish and annoying. grow up!

[eharding]

WinstonWolf said:

NoNeed said:

Funk said:

I don't think I can take much more of this level of idiocy from Fluffnik and xjsdriver.

Yestapo goons - you're fking Scotland badly. Your fellow countrymen voted no. It's the settled will of the Scottish people. Settled.

Any more of this crap threatens relations, trade, investment and jobs (as if it hasn't done so enough already).

We get you. You don't like it. Tough, that's democracy in action. It's fairness.

Please just shut up and fk off now. It's done. Over.

Let it go.

I find their ignorance hard to believe. Before the vote our wiggy used to talk of a situation akin to the one in northern Ireland, I am starting to believe these people are big enough fking idiots to do it.

fluffnik said:

Bwaah

Fluff on hearing that his fellow countrymen don't want independence.

CyberNATs vs. Just William.....

http://www.tubechop.com/watch/3634764

[0a]

Rovinghawk said:

fluffnik said:

I think an indisputable popular mandate for independence will be demonstrated at 2016's Holyrood elections,

You thought that about last week's referendum, too.

It's like a spoilt child that doesn't get its way - and a fantastic recruiting campaign against independence!

[Mrr T]

xjsdriver said:

blindswelledrat said:

I think you are missing the point that about a third of Scotland are currently refusing to move on despite democracy

I have to disagree with you there.....it's 45% and climbing every day....... many are now regretting their no vote. Should anyone in Westminster renege on their "vow", don't imagine it will be taken lightly North of the border....

I do hope so. As English I cannot wait to get rid of you.

[Chlamydia]

Efbe said:

no, you are being quite pathetically over the top tbh.

there is some merit to the idea this could potentially create dangerous sectarianism. but blaming on a couple of posters is childish and annoying. grow up!

I'm pretty sure I didn't blame it on 'a couple of posters', I said it would be partly down to them, it would also be partly down to the other Nats who will not accept a democratic vote. This is how acts of terrorism kick off you know, it's not always religion.
So, 'grow up' right back at you

[kowalski655]

fluffnik said:

kowalski655 said:

A genuine question to the Yessers on here..when do you think that the next Yes/No referendum should be held?1 year? 2? 5? 10? More?

I think an indisputable popular mandate for independence will be demonstrated at 2016's Holyrood elections, a considerable distaste for lying Unionist politicians having been demonstrated next May.

So no real answer then..well that IS a surprise
But assuming sooner (5 years?)rather than later, do you really feel that any business will invest in Scottish jobs & industry,knowing the whole farce & uncertainty will come round again so soon? What incentive is there ,even HMG will not put jobs here when they know there is a chance they will just have to go back south again. Good to see that you still want to drag this country down even without a Yes vote.

[sherbertdip]

Taking a step back from all the words being spouted here by fluffy and xjsdrivel etc their sphere of influence appeares to be:

Half a dozen people here on PH!

Their proud membership of other groups eg the "i've got an IQ of 45" is basically preaching to the converted.

So to sum up, they have as much influence as "a fart in a hurricane".

Ignore them, they are posting on here merely as a form of entertainment for themsleves because a few are goaded by their repatation and stance, nobody is listening!

[confused_buyer]

fluffnik said:

I think an indisputable popular mandate for independence will be demonstrated at 2016's Holyrood elections, a considerable distaste for lying Unionist politicians having been demonstrated next May.

Well, an indisputable mandate for non-independence has just been given so it won't make a lot of difference. Look, I know it is hard to accept for you but the pro-independence side got:

(a) To choose the date of the referendum.
(b) To choose the question.
(c) To add in 16/17 year olds.
(d) Had plenty of money.
(e) Had a 2 year capaign to prepare for it.
(f) Were up against Alistair Darling.

They had every advantage but they still couldn't come up with some answers to basic econmic quesitons and win.

In the highly unlikely event there is ever another referendum you can be 100% sure the "Yes" answer won't be the independence option. It will be something like "Do you wish to remain part of the United Kingdom or be cast out into poverty and obscurity with no economic plan?" Yes/No.

[Cobnapint]

Moonhawk said:

Mrr T said:

The point you miss is parliament did not make the pledge. The pledge was made by CamMilCleg. At no time did they consult their parties, the whips or the English electorate.

It was a mistake to do so IMO. They should have held their nerve - a No vote was a virtual dead cert anyway, all of the evidence on the runup to the vote indicated that - and looking at the poll results after the promise - it appeared to make no difference anyway.

What the promise has done though, is given the nats one more item to add to their victim list (we were tricked - blah f#cking blah) - and something that the nats can scream blue bloody murder over if what it ultimately delivered doesn't meet with their approval (which it won't).

Despite the fact that the promise of extra powers should have made things better (that is afterall one of the options that Salmond wanted in the referendum in the first place) - it has IMO actually made things worse. The nats want the world in a silver quaich.

I was all for the union right up until the vote and it came as a relief on the morning that the results were announced - but the incessant whining and victim-hood continues - and to be honest - i'm now wishing it had gone the other way.

All true.

They've made one hell of a rod for their own back, because even if they do come up with an 'extra powers pack', it'll never be enough for the SNP. It'll be like giving them 'infinite ammo' in video game parlance.

I've already emailed my MP with regard to Barnett and West Lothian. fk me, the Scots are already having there cake and eating it. Now they want the fking plate as well.

[AstonZagato]

confused_buyer said:

fluffnik said:

I think an indisputable popular mandate for independence will be demonstrated at 2016's Holyrood elections, a considerable distaste for lying Unionist politicians having been demonstrated next May.

Well, an indisputable mandate for non-independence has just been given so it won't make a lot of difference. Look, I know it is hard to accept for you but the pro-independence side got:

(a) To choose the date of the referendum.
(b) To choose the question.
(c) To add in 16/17 year olds.
(d) Had plenty of money.
(e) Had a 2 year capaign to prepare for it.
(f) Were up against Alistair Darling.

They had every advantage but they still couldn't come up with some answers to basic econmic quesitons and win.

In the highly unlikely event there is ever another referendum you can be 100% sure the "Yes" answer won't be the independence option. It will be something like "Do you wish to remain part of the United Kingdom or be cast out into poverty and obscurity with no economic plan?" Yes/No.

(a) To choose the date of the referendum.
(b) To choose the question.
(c) To add in 16/17 year olds.
(d) Had plenty of money.
(e) Had a 2 year capaign to prepare for it.
(f) Were up against Alistair Darling.
(g) Have disaffection with the ruling political classes at a multi-generational low
(h) Be at a point where the aging demographics are yet to hit Scottish public finances
(i) Have oil revenues at a level that does not make the long-term decline obvious
(j) Have the Commonwealth Games in Scotland for some rousing patriotism
(k) Have the 700th anniversary of Bannockburn (for those who find it difficult to forget a grudge).

[BigsimonY]

i started this campaign as a no supporter, then wavered to a yes, then to a undecided. It was Mr brown(promises on more powers) and that bel**nd Jim Sillars that convinced me to vote No. So im not so sure the Better Together had it warped up without the PM promising more powers

[NoNeed]

confused_buyer said:

fluffnik said:

I think an indisputable popular mandate for independence will be demonstrated at 2016's Holyrood elections, a considerable distaste for lying Unionist politicians having been demonstrated next May.

Well, an indisputable mandate for non-independence has just been given so it won't make a lot of difference. Look, I know it is hard to accept for you but the pro-independence side got:

(a) To choose the date of the referendum.
(b) To choose the question.
(c) To add in 16/17 year olds.
(d) Had plenty of money.
(e) Had a 2 year capaign to prepare for it.
(f) Were up against Alistair Darling.

They had every advantage but they still couldn't come up with some answers to basic econmic quesitons and win.

In the highly unlikely event there is ever another referendum you can be 100% sure the "Yes" answer won't be the independence option. It will be something like "Do you wish to remain part of the United Kingdom or be cast out into poverty and obscurity with no economic plan?" Yes/No.

votes make no difference in 2015 or 2016 as there is an agreement in place, signed by cameron and Salmond. Salmond agreed to a 29 year gap in return for a referendum.

Besides the main estminster parties can go back on their word now that Salmond has gone back on his. During the campaign he promised to re-unite what he called team scotland after the vote no matter what the vote was.



The agreement states that both sides will respect the result so that rukes out the SNP for anymore referendum ste for quite a few years.

Edited by NoNeed on Wednesday 24th September 10:01

[Cobnapint]

barryrs said:

Christ, it may as well be free you cheap bds.

https://my.snp.org/system/files/instructions/Membe...

£2 for under 15's. Not cynical at all!