Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6

[Wombat3]

HenryJM said:

The problem is that half of Scotland doesn't bother voting for Holyrood so you have a government that is elected by a small fraction of the population setting the rules.

It would seem likely they may have woken up to that particular problem now. It will be quite clear to the 2M No voters that they risk having their country taken away from them if they can't be bothered to get out & vote.

[BlackLabel]

The SNP hierarchy do not believe that 'no' voters even exist in Scotland. To Salmond and co they are not 'no' voters but just 'deferred yes' voters. Which is why they want a referendum as often as possible until they get the answer they want.

"The sovereign will of the people of Scotland" only matters when things go their way.

[Funk]

Wombat3 said:

HenryJM said:

The problem is that half of Scotland doesn't bother voting for Holyrood so you have a government that is elected by a small fraction of the population setting the rules.

It would seem likely they may have woken up to that particular problem now. It will be quite clear to the 2M No voters that they risk having their country taken away from them if they can't be bothered to get out & vote.

Absolutely this.

[bp1]

Funk said:

Wombat3 said:

HenryJM said:

The problem is that half of Scotland doesn't bother voting for Holyrood so you have a government that is elected by a small fraction of the population setting the rules.

It would seem likely they may have woken up to that particular problem now. It will be quite clear to the 2M No voters that they risk having their country taken away from them if they can't be bothered to get out & vote.

Absolutely this.

For the first time in my life I'll be voting tactically in 2016. In the past I have always voted what I feel is the correct way - what I believe in, regardless of where I lived. As a conservative (small c) your mainly pissing in the wind though. Next time I will hold my nose and vote Labour for the actual seat and then Conservative for the list seats. Purely to derail the SNP as I want all this independence bks to go away for good.

The vote will essentially become anyone but the SNP for a lot of no voters imo.

[Wombat3]

bp1 said:

Funk said:

Wombat3 said:

HenryJM said:

The problem is that half of Scotland doesn't bother voting for Holyrood so you have a government that is elected by a small fraction of the population setting the rules.

It would seem likely they may have woken up to that particular problem now. It will be quite clear to the 2M No voters that they risk having their country taken away from them if they can't be bothered to get out & vote.

Absolutely this.

For the first time in my life I'll be voting tactically in 2016. In the past I have always voted what I feel is the correct way - what I believe in, regardless of where I lived. As a conservative (small c) your mainly pissing in the wind though. Next time I will hold my nose and vote Labour for the actual seat and then Conservative for the list seats. Purely to derail the SNP as I want all this independence bks to go away for good.

The vote will essentially become anyone but the SNP for a lot of no voters imo.

I'd be inclined to think this will not be an uncommon course of action. Sometimes the best outcome you can get is preventing the worst option.

Further south it might indeed be a good thing if some of the Kippers took note of the risible tripe that's being espoused in Manchester this week & considered that one (IMO of course).

[McWigglebum4th]

Wombat3 said:

I'd be inclined to think this will not be an uncommon course of action. Sometimes the best outcome you can get is preventing the worst option.

Further south it might indeed be a good thing if some of the Kippers took note of the risible tripe that's being espoused in Manchester this week & considered that one (IMO of course).

I don't think millibrain could do as much damage no matter how hard he tried to the UK as Salmond wanted to inflict on scotland

But i will be voting conservative in 2016 purely to try and get rid of the SNP idiot MSP we have locally

[Wombat3]

McWigglebum4th said:

Wombat3 said:

I'd be inclined to think this will not be an uncommon course of action. Sometimes the best outcome you can get is preventing the worst option.

Further south it might indeed be a good thing if some of the Kippers took note of the risible tripe that's being espoused in Manchester this week & considered that one (IMO of course).

I don't think millibrain could do as much damage no matter how hard he tried to the UK as Salmond wanted to inflict on scotland

But i will be voting conservative in 2016 purely to try and get rid of the SNP idiot MSP we have locally

That's what everyone thought about Blair & Brown......

[Rick_1138]

McWigglebum4th said:

Wombat3 said:

I'd be inclined to think this will not be an uncommon course of action. Sometimes the best outcome you can get is preventing the worst option.

Further south it might indeed be a good thing if some of the Kippers took note of the risible tripe that's being espoused in Manchester this week & considered that one (IMO of course).

I don't think millibrain could do as much damage no matter how hard he tried to the UK as Salmond wanted to inflict on scotland

But i will be voting conservative in 2016 purely to try and get rid of the SNP idiot MSP we have locally

TBH I am actually partly inclined to vote Scottish Labour in 2016 as the Tory vote isn't strong enough up here and my vote is a bit wasted, but if enough vote labour for Scotland it may kill the SNP as they only have a majority of 1 seat at the moment, and getting shot of them would be my aim. I can live with Scottish Labour over the SNP.

GE wise I will still vote for Tories, however Milliband's house building promise was nice to hear, but I am a cynic, GF is still a socialist mind

[Janluke]

Rick_1138 said:

TBH I am actually partly inclined to vote Scottish Labour in 2016 as the Tory vote isn't strong enough up here and my vote is a bit wasted, but if enough vote labour for Scotland it may kill the SNP as they only have a majority of 1 seat at the moment, and getting shot of them would be my aim. I can live with Scottish Labour over the SNP.

GE wise I will still vote for Tories, however Milliband's house building promise was nice to hear, but I am a cynic, GF is still a socialist mind

I've been a lifelong conservative voter(mostly) but went one step further yesterday and joined the Scottish Labour Party. I don't agree with many Labour policies but will vote in order to protect the result of the referendum and the union. Many of my friends voted yes and most have accepted the result albeit they are a bit disappointed but a few have gone totally ott and are sounding more extreme every day

[McWigglebum4th]

Rick_1138 said:

TBH I am actually partly inclined to vote Scottish Labour in 2016 as the Tory vote isn't strong enough up here and my vote is a bit wasted, but if enough vote labour for Scotland it may kill the SNP as they only have a majority of 1 seat at the moment, and getting shot of them would be my aim. I can live with Scottish Labour over the SNP.

GE wise I will still vote for Tories, however Milliband's house building promise was nice to hear, but I am a cynic, GF is still a socialist mind

in my local area the tory party came 2nd

[McWigglebum4th]

Wombat3 said:

McWigglebum4th said:

Wombat3 said:

I'd be inclined to think this will not be an uncommon course of action. Sometimes the best outcome you can get is preventing the worst option.

Further south it might indeed be a good thing if some of the Kippers took note of the risible tripe that's being espoused in Manchester this week & considered that one (IMO of course).

I don't think millibrain could do as much damage no matter how hard he tried to the UK as Salmond wanted to inflict on scotland

But i will be voting conservative in 2016 purely to try and get rid of the SNP idiot MSP we have locally

That's what everyone thought about Blair & Brown......

You think what they did was comparable to the clusterfk salmond wanted to bring to scotland

[Einion Yrth]

McWigglebum4th said:

You think what they did was comparable to the clusterfk salmond wanted to bring to scotland

He would have bankrupted Scotland, B & B damned nearly bankrupted the whole U.K.

[Wombat3]

Einion Yrth said:

McWigglebum4th said:

You think what they did was comparable to the clusterfk salmond wanted to bring to scotland

He would have bankrupted Scotland, B & B damned nearly bankrupted the whole U.K.

You forgot about the "social engineering" that took place that has changed the UK - probably irreversibly & about which nobody was asked.

Not dissimilar to Salmond's open door immigration plan I think

[technodup]

Wombat3 said:

I'd be inclined to think this will not be an uncommon course of action. Sometimes the best outcome you can get is preventing the worst option.

I'll likely do the same. Usually a Tory voter, (UKIP in Euros) but seeing as I live in the Yes hotbed of Glasgow and a Tory vote is wasted anyway I can see myself voting Labour in the Holyrood election just to keep the SNP out. If it helps snuff out the slavering Yes morons and their kamikaze plans for Scotland then all to the good. And at least Labour can't do as much damage in Scotland as they can in Westminster.

[plasticpig]

The idea of UDI (Universal Declaration For Independence) seems quite popular among the embittered Yes camp. Not sure how they think this is anyway enforceable or even legal (as they claim it is). It would have to be recognized internationally; and while I can see North Korea, Russia and a few other states recognizing it; I can't see any of the NATO, EU and commonwealth states recognizing it.

[Rovinghawk]

plasticpig said:

UDI (Universal Declaration For Independence)

Unilateral, perhaps?

[SilverSixer]

Russia is generally unkeen on declarations of independence - see Chechnya and Kosovo for examples. So it'll just be North Korea then.

;-)

[plasticpig]

Rovinghawk said:

Unilateral, perhaps?

Gah bloody auto-complete on my tablet.... But yes unilateral not universal.

[Carl_Spackler]

Yep, only the 65's and older voted No, give them a few years to die out and, Freedom!!..... Ohh wait...

https://mobile.twitter.com/dhothersall/status/5146...

[McWigglebum4th]

SilverSixer said:

Russia is generally unkeen on declarations of independence - see Chechnya and Kosovo for examples. So it'll just be North Korea then.

;-)

north korea

huge fairness and the population ALWAYS get the government they vote for