Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6
Discussion
eharding said:
Interesting that this thread has, unsurprisingly, fallen off the top-tier of PH NP&E topics, as other more pressing matters come to the fore - obviously our more vociferous Nat chums are trying to keep it on the boil, but the truth is that the wind has well and truly been taken out of their sails.
Collectively, the PH Nats have lost their spirit, their vision, their Mojo. Despite their occasional bursts of outrage, you can sense the energy draining away.
When trying to describe their gentle descent into forum obscurity, I'm reminded of a very treasured icon from my youth, so if I may....
Collectively, the PH Nats have lost their spirit, their vision, their Mojo. Despite their occasional bursts of outrage, you can sense the energy draining away.
When trying to describe their gentle descent into forum obscurity, I'm reminded of a very treasured icon from my youth, so if I may....
Narrator In The Style of Oliver Postgate said:
Natpuss gave a big yawn, and settled down to sleep
And of course when Natpuss goes to sleep, all his friends go to sleep too
The "45" were just ornaments on Facebook
Fluffnik and Xjsdriver were just trolls
And Professor Pcvdriver was a carved wooden bellend in the shape of a woodpecker
Even Natpuss himself once he was asleep was just an old, saggy cloth-eared Nat
Gobby, and a bit loose at the seams
But Nicola loved him
And of course when Natpuss goes to sleep, all his friends go to sleep too
The "45" were just ornaments on Facebook
Fluffnik and Xjsdriver were just trolls
And Professor Pcvdriver was a carved wooden bellend in the shape of a woodpecker
Even Natpuss himself once he was asleep was just an old, saggy cloth-eared Nat
Gobby, and a bit loose at the seams
But Nicola loved him
So true. The BBC are even ignoring them now thank f
k :yawn:P
WinstonWolf said:
eharding said:
Interesting that this thread has, unsurprisingly, fallen off the top-tier of PH NP&E topics, as other more pressing matters come to the fore - obviously our more vociferous Nat chums are trying to keep it on the boil, but the truth is that the wind has well and truly been taken out of their sails.
Collectively, the PH Nats have lost their spirit, their vision, their Mojo. Despite their occasional bursts of outrage, you can sense the energy draining away.
When trying to describe their gentle descent into forum obscurity, I'm reminded of a very treasured icon from my youth, so if I may....
Collectively, the PH Nats have lost their spirit, their vision, their Mojo. Despite their occasional bursts of outrage, you can sense the energy draining away.
When trying to describe their gentle descent into forum obscurity, I'm reminded of a very treasured icon from my youth, so if I may....
Narrator In The Style of Oliver Postgate said:
Natpuss gave a big yawn, and settled down to sleep
And of course when Natpuss goes to sleep, all his friends go to sleep too
The "45" were just ornaments on Facebook
Fluffnik and Xjsdriver were just trolls
And Professor Pcvdriver was a carved wooden bellend in the shape of a woodpecker
Even Natpuss himself once he was asleep was just an old, saggy cloth-eared Nat
Gobby, and a bit loose at the seams
But Nicola loved him
And of course when Natpuss goes to sleep, all his friends go to sleep too
The "45" were just ornaments on Facebook
Fluffnik and Xjsdriver were just trolls
And Professor Pcvdriver was a carved wooden bellend in the shape of a woodpecker
Even Natpuss himself once he was asleep was just an old, saggy cloth-eared Nat
Gobby, and a bit loose at the seams
But Nicola loved him
So true. The BBC are even ignoring them now thank fk :yawn:P
Narrator In The Style of Oliver Postgate said:
Natpuss gave a big yawn, and settled down to sleep
And of course when Natpuss goes to sleep, all his friends go to sleep too
The "45" were just ornaments on Facebook
Fluffnik and Xjsdriver were just trolls
And Professor Pcvdriver was a carved wooden bellend in the shape of a woodpecker
Even Natpuss himself once he was asleep was just an old, saggy cloth-eared Nat
Gobby, and a bit loose at the seams
But Nicola loved him
And of course when Natpuss goes to sleep, all his friends go to sleep too
The "45" were just ornaments on Facebook
Fluffnik and Xjsdriver were just trolls
And Professor Pcvdriver was a carved wooden bellend in the shape of a woodpecker
Even Natpuss himself once he was asleep was just an old, saggy cloth-eared Nat
Gobby, and a bit loose at the seams
But Nicola loved him
- i'm literally crying here......McWigglebum4th said:
I don't think millibrain could do as much damage no matter how hard he tried to the UK as Salmond wanted to inflict on scotland
But i will be voting conservative in 2016 purely to try and get rid of the SNP idiot MSP we have locally
I think there'll be more doing the same thing.But i will be voting conservative in 2016 purely to try and get rid of the SNP idiot MSP we have locally
Big Rod said:
xjsdriver said:
Slurms said:
xjsdriver said:
In fact, I'd go as far to say that I expect quite a lot less Labour and Tory seats after the Scottish election.
Why? It was a vote for Yes not a vote for the SNP - I have vague memories of some bloke called Alex spending a lot of time telling everyone that...
OpulentBob said:
simoid said:
IIRC 20% of SNP voters voted no.
Wow. That's probably the biggest surprise of the whole saga! Also quite interesting, looking at the Yougov data - of the people polled who were born in Scotland - the split was exactly 50:50.
Edited by Moonhawk on Thursday 25th September 13:16
xjsdriver said:
Slurms said:
xjsdriver said:
In fact, I'd go as far to say that I expect quite a lot less Labour and Tory seats after the Scottish election.
Why? It was a vote for Yes not a vote for the SNP - I have vague memories of some bloke called Alex spending a lot of time telling everyone that...
I loved Salmonds response to extra tax raising power he giggled and then said so your expecting the Scottish people to pay twice for the NHS do they take us for fools....um well you are wanting a higher standard of care than the existing budget permits so the extra tax pays for that premium not x2 payments if you want only x1 then your happy with what you get.
Also the privatised v non privatised NHS arguement come off it EU rules part of being a member forces it to become part private sector.
Also the privatised v non privatised NHS arguement come off it EU rules part of being a member forces it to become part private sector.
Welshbeef said:
I loved Salmonds response to extra tax raising power he giggled and then said so your expecting the Scottish people to pay twice for the NHS......
What does he mean by "pay twice"? They will pay once - but to a level commensurate with the care they wish to receive. If the block grant doesn't cover the increased level of care that Scotland want over and above the standard level of care offered by the NHS UK wide - then the only option is to raise additional tax revenue to pay for the difference (or cut budgets elsewhere and reallocate the money into the NHS). This should come from the Scottish people - should it not? Isn't that why the additional tax powers were granted in the first place.
So the last year had been claim and counter claim, the Scottish government faced repeated claims that it was talking out its erse, but what happens? Looks like the claims they were making and we were being told were lies, were in fact TRUE. So we were in actual fact being LIED to by westminister and unionist parties. If you are happy bring lied to for political gain that's fine, but I'm not. I'm tired of being lied to. I'm tired of hearing that Scotland cannot do this and shouldn't go that, just because mainstream media and westminister say we cannot, even when their own claims and promises don't hold water. There are a great number of disillusioned individuals in this great and ancient country (which essentially was voted back into continuing to be a region as opposed to a country again but that's by the by) that wanted change, realises change is needed and that the way things are, change all never happen as there are too many self serving mp's who put personal ambition and wealth ahead of the people they serve. Yes we have a Scottish parliament, but with very little powers, and any powers we do have don't go far enough. You may say we have security within the uk, however there are many more cuts and austerity measures coming our way, and yet another war we will have to pay for. Like a picture doing the rounds say, we cannot afford to feed the poor but can afford to go to war. Funny that. People have a very short memory and forget what is coming our way before they ticked their respective box on the 18th... We will still have to pay for the high speed rail link which will benefit Scotland nil, pay for London projects such as sewer replacements and the like. All our money siphoned off to be spent else where, just like that, and none of it benefiting us.
And just look at the shambles we have in westminister ATM, politicians infighting and not agreeing on many things, funny that. And instead of rapid talks and developments, all we are hearing about is England this and England that. I'm sorry, but this was a Scottish referendum regarding what happens to Scotland, so let's get that sorted first, as it seems heels are being dragged rather slowly.
I'm tired of the injustice we have had to hear about in the last week when we were told one thing in all the official better together literature and now it seems a lot of it was made up, absolutely sickens me. Is it any wonder that the Snp have the 3rd highest membership in the country now? And with the Scottish greens and ssp gaining members hand over fist also, rest assured that come the next general election, there will be some shocks in sure. It has been proven that labour, Tory and lib dems do not speak for Scotland. They tow the party line and as it has always been, Scotland comes last in their order of priorities. I'm not saying the Snp are perfect, far from is as they are politicians and all politicians are of the same ilk, some more worse than others mind, but at least they stick up for Scotland, give us a voice! Would we have such as strong a voice if labour/Tory/lib dems were in charge? I don't think so. All the business of promoting Scotland wouldn't have happened under those governments, and that would have been a right shame. We have a rich history and it deserves to be celebrated. Would the bannockburn celebrations have happened? Homecoming Scotland? All the festivals etc? Probably not.
There is a new sense of being in Scotland, and a clear divide. That divide is a shame, but divides can move and come together, and for the country's sake, I hope it does, but pulls Scotland's way instead of the UK as it has been already demonstrated that we mean very little to the uk as a whole, other than for the use of our resources for the south east's gain.
Stay strong and be Scottish!
And just look at the shambles we have in westminister ATM, politicians infighting and not agreeing on many things, funny that. And instead of rapid talks and developments, all we are hearing about is England this and England that. I'm sorry, but this was a Scottish referendum regarding what happens to Scotland, so let's get that sorted first, as it seems heels are being dragged rather slowly.
I'm tired of the injustice we have had to hear about in the last week when we were told one thing in all the official better together literature and now it seems a lot of it was made up, absolutely sickens me. Is it any wonder that the Snp have the 3rd highest membership in the country now? And with the Scottish greens and ssp gaining members hand over fist also, rest assured that come the next general election, there will be some shocks in sure. It has been proven that labour, Tory and lib dems do not speak for Scotland. They tow the party line and as it has always been, Scotland comes last in their order of priorities. I'm not saying the Snp are perfect, far from is as they are politicians and all politicians are of the same ilk, some more worse than others mind, but at least they stick up for Scotland, give us a voice! Would we have such as strong a voice if labour/Tory/lib dems were in charge? I don't think so. All the business of promoting Scotland wouldn't have happened under those governments, and that would have been a right shame. We have a rich history and it deserves to be celebrated. Would the bannockburn celebrations have happened? Homecoming Scotland? All the festivals etc? Probably not.
There is a new sense of being in Scotland, and a clear divide. That divide is a shame, but divides can move and come together, and for the country's sake, I hope it does, but pulls Scotland's way instead of the UK as it has been already demonstrated that we mean very little to the uk as a whole, other than for the use of our resources for the south east's gain.
Stay strong and be Scottish!
arp1 said:
So the last year had been claim and counter claim, the Scottish government faced repeated claims that it was talking out its erse, but what happens? Looks like the claims they were making and we were being told were lies, were in fact TRUE. So we were in actual fact being LIED to by westminister and unionist parties. If you are happy bring lied to for political gain that's fine, but I'm not. I'm tired of being lied to. I'm tired of hearing that Scotland cannot do this and shouldn't go that, just because mainstream media and westminister say we cannot, even when their own claims and promises don't hold water. There are a great number of disillusioned individuals in this great and ancient country (which essentially was voted back into continuing to be a region as opposed to a country again but that's by the by) that wanted change, realises change is needed and that the way things are, change all never happen as there are too many self serving mp's who put personal ambition and wealth ahead of the people they serve. Yes we have a Scottish parliament, but with very little powers, and any powers we do have don't go far enough. You may say we have security within the uk, however there are many more cuts and austerity measures coming our way, and yet another war we will have to pay for. Like a picture doing the rounds say, we cannot afford to feed the poor but can afford to go to war. Funny that. People have a very short memory and forget what is coming our way before they ticked their respective box on the 18th... We will still have to pay for the high speed rail link which will benefit Scotland nil, pay for London projects such as sewer replacements and the like. All our money siphoned off to be spent else where, just like that, and none of it benefiting us.
And just look at the shambles we have in westminister ATM, politicians infighting and not agreeing on many things, funny that. And instead of rapid talks and developments, all we are hearing about is England this and England that. I'm sorry, but this was a Scottish referendum regarding what happens to Scotland, so let's get that sorted first, as it seems heels are being dragged rather slowly.
I'm tired of the injustice we have had to hear about in the last week when we were told one thing in all the official better together literature and now it seems a lot of it was made up, absolutely sickens me. Is it any wonder that the Snp have the 3rd highest membership in the country now? And with the Scottish greens and ssp gaining members hand over fist also, rest assured that come the next general election, there will be some shocks in sure. It has been proven that labour, Tory and lib dems do not speak for Scotland. They tow the party line and as it has always been, Scotland comes last in their order of priorities. I'm not saying the Snp are perfect, far from is as they are politicians and all politicians are of the same ilk, some more worse than others mind, but at least they stick up for Scotland, give us a voice! Would we have such as strong a voice if labour/Tory/lib dems were in charge? I don't think so. All the business of promoting Scotland wouldn't have happened under those governments, and that would have been a right shame. We have a rich history and it deserves to be celebrated. Would the bannockburn celebrations have happened? Homecoming Scotland? All the festivals etc? Probably not.
There is a new sense of being in Scotland, and a clear divide. That divide is a shame, but divides can move and come together, and for the country's sake, I hope it does, but pulls Scotland's way instead of the UK as it has been already demonstrated that we mean very little to the uk as a whole, other than for the use of our resources for the south east's gain.
Stay strong and be Scottish!
wow...just wowAnd just look at the shambles we have in westminister ATM, politicians infighting and not agreeing on many things, funny that. And instead of rapid talks and developments, all we are hearing about is England this and England that. I'm sorry, but this was a Scottish referendum regarding what happens to Scotland, so let's get that sorted first, as it seems heels are being dragged rather slowly.
I'm tired of the injustice we have had to hear about in the last week when we were told one thing in all the official better together literature and now it seems a lot of it was made up, absolutely sickens me. Is it any wonder that the Snp have the 3rd highest membership in the country now? And with the Scottish greens and ssp gaining members hand over fist also, rest assured that come the next general election, there will be some shocks in sure. It has been proven that labour, Tory and lib dems do not speak for Scotland. They tow the party line and as it has always been, Scotland comes last in their order of priorities. I'm not saying the Snp are perfect, far from is as they are politicians and all politicians are of the same ilk, some more worse than others mind, but at least they stick up for Scotland, give us a voice! Would we have such as strong a voice if labour/Tory/lib dems were in charge? I don't think so. All the business of promoting Scotland wouldn't have happened under those governments, and that would have been a right shame. We have a rich history and it deserves to be celebrated. Would the bannockburn celebrations have happened? Homecoming Scotland? All the festivals etc? Probably not.
There is a new sense of being in Scotland, and a clear divide. That divide is a shame, but divides can move and come together, and for the country's sake, I hope it does, but pulls Scotland's way instead of the UK as it has been already demonstrated that we mean very little to the uk as a whole, other than for the use of our resources for the south east's gain.
Stay strong and be Scottish!
Shut up you big cry baby.
Have all yes voters joined the SNP in this forlorn attempt at UDI? No they haven't. Hardly any have.
If these people are son oppressed by the occupying UK, you'd think they'd try any route to leave. If it's not worth spending £12 to release yourselves from such suffering then it can't be so bad.
By the way, the whole yes campaign was built on lies, led by a lying Salmond.
Have all yes voters joined the SNP in this forlorn attempt at UDI? No they haven't. Hardly any have.
If these people are son oppressed by the occupying UK, you'd think they'd try any route to leave. If it's not worth spending £12 to release yourselves from such suffering then it can't be so bad.
By the way, the whole yes campaign was built on lies, led by a lying Salmond.
McWigglebum4th said:
arp1 said:
I'm tired of hearing that Scotland cannot do this !
how can we increase spending, decrease taxes, stop borrowing and save all the oil money?and if scotland is so terrible
LEAVE
k he likes that he thinks he will get a better deal, on the condition he never comes back.I've already offered to someone else who couldn't stop moaning...
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