Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6

[Moonhawk]

Wombat3 said:

The victim card is large with this one.

Yep - and as usual, a simple straight question is not answered.

Considering how blatant and prolific the lies are asserted to be - it's odd that nats appear unable to just reel them off when asked. You'd think they would have a laundry list just waiting - and be happy to rub our faces in these 'lies' and 'misinformation'.

.......unless of course they have simply jumped on the "OMG Westmisnter and mainstream media are lying to us propaganda" - without actually verifying that they have been lied to.

[marshalla]

I can't help thinking that some of my countrymen really are more like McGlashan than I ever noticed.

Slightly NSFW due to sweary words, but : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaJPOVGlEPs

[Rovinghawk]

Moonhawk said:

.......unless of course they have simply jumped on the "OMG Westmisnter and mainstream media are lying to us propaganda" - without actually verifying that they have been lied to.

Substitute PH for Facebook & we're about right......

[Rollin]

Calvib has gone quiet

[nicanary]

Just watching the lunchtime news, and naturally there was an item on the Ryder Cup. The GB and Europe team are wearing jumpers depicting a blue and white saltire.

Is this a reference to Gleneagles, or a carefully planned sop to the "yes" brigade? Why ask a Swede to wear a Scottish sweater?

[marshalla]

nicanary said:

Just watching the lunchtime news, and naturally there was an item on the Ryder Cup. The GB and Europe team are wearing jumpers depicting a blue and white saltire.

Is this a reference to Gleneagles, or a carefully planned sop to the "yes" brigade? Why ask a Swede to wear a Scottish sweater?

The Saltire does not belong to the Yestapo.

[HenryJM]

Hey, it's an improvement on the blue tartan jacket with brown trousers they were forced into yesterday. They looked ludicrous.

[fluffnik]

NomduJour said:

fluffnik said:

I think an indisputable popular mandate for independence will be demonstrated at 2016's Holyrood elections

An indisputable popular - and democratic - mandate to remain in the United Kingdom was demonstrated by the Scottish people on 18th September 2014.

That was indeed the considered will of the people on the 18th September 2014.

"Considered" not "immutable", nor "permanent".

NomduJour said:

Why are you now unable to accept the the (hallowed) "considered will of the Scottish people" (you know, the guff you got from a random blogger with an agenda, who couldn't understand the constitutional issues he'd been reading about)?

I accept the "considered will of the Scottish people", this does not mean I will not urge my fellow Scots to reconsider...

[fluffnik]

gofasterrosssco said:

You'd think if you really didn't like the Tory's then you'd vote for the party most likely to unseat them in power (hint - this is not the SNP). Short-termism is a nationalist trait, so not sure why I'm surprised..

Short-termism would be worrying too much about the next government of an about to be foreign state.

[SilverSixer]

fluffnik said:

I accept the "considered will of the Scottish people", this does not mean I will not urge my fellow Scots to reconsider...

Oxymoron.

[NomduJour]

You've had your referendum, you lost.

Another one isn't on the cards - as per the Edinburgh Agreement, a "decisive expression of the views of people in Scotland and a result that everyone will respect". Your hallowed leader pledged that there would be no second referendum for "a generation", even if he lost by one vote (rather than the decisive result delivered by the Scots people).

[Big Rod]

fluffnik said:

I accept the "considered will of the Scottish people", this does not mean I will not urge my fellow Scots to reconsider...

I was sure the phrase was "settled will of the Scottish people".

Settled to me means end of story.

[hornetrider]

NomduJour said:

You've had your referendum, you lost.

Another one isn't on the cards - as per the Edinburgh Agreement, a "decisive expression of the views of people in Scotland and a result that everyone will respect". Your hallowed leader pledged that there would be no second referendum for "a generation", even if he lost by one vote (rather than the decisive result delivered by the Scots people).

Indeed.

To quoteth the bard, suck it up, buttercup.

[Wombat3]

SilverSixer said:

fluffnik said:

I accept the "considered will of the Scottish people", this does not mean I will not urge my fellow Scots to reconsider...

moron.

Fixed that for ya

[Wombat3]

Big Rod said:

fluffnik said:

I accept the "considered will of the Scottish people", this does not mean I will not urge my fellow Scots to reconsider...

I was sure the phrase was "settled will of the Scottish people".

Settled to me means end of story.

Well spotted, this is just the Fluffy worm wriggling on the end of the hook.

The phrases used were either "Settled" or "Sovereign".

[HenryJM]

fluffnik said:

I accept the "considered will of the Scottish people", this does not mean I will not urge my fellow Scots to reconsider...

So why do you say that a No vote is a 'considered' will when a Yes vote was going to be (in your words) a 'settled' will?

Presumably it's just like many nationalists, if you lose a vote it doesn't count, but if you ever win one it's permanent and settled.

[hornetrider]

Presumably even in the case of a yes vote, they'll have another vote in another 5 years just to make sure. And every five years after that. A bit like the hokey cokey.

[toppstuff]

fluffnik said:

I accept the "considered will of the Scottish people", this does not mean I will not urge my fellow Scots to reconsider...

You predicted a decent margin for a Yes win.

You have had to learn the reality - that the majority of your fellow Scots ( indeed, quite a large majority in many parts of Scotland ) simply do not agree with you.

How do you feel about this? How do you feel about learning that you don't really understand your neighbours the way you thought you did?

[fluffnik]

Wombat3 said:

Big Rod said:

fluffnik said:

I accept the "considered will of the Scottish people", this does not mean I will not urge my fellow Scots to reconsider...

I was sure the phrase was "settled will of the Scottish people".

Settled to me means end of story.

Well spotted, this is just the Fluffy worm wriggling on the end of the hook.

The phrases used were either "Settled" or "Sovereign".

I used "settled" in error some time back, the phrase used by the court was "the considered will of the Scottish people".

No immutability is implied.

In Scotland sovereignty resides with the people, not the "Crown in Parliament", the sovereign people are entitled to change their mind at any time.

I would hope that they would change their mind on discovering that their previous conclusion was founded on a tissue of lies.

As an aside, I notice a UKIP donor wants England to dissolve the Union ans cast Wales and NI out too. Cool!

[NomduJour]

fluffnik said:

I would hope that they would change their mind on discovering that their previous conclusion was founded on a tissue of lies

"Tissue of lies", says the man from the Yes campaign. Ho ho ho.