Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6

[Cobnapint]

NomduJour said:

fluffnik said:

I would hope that they would change their mind on discovering that their previous conclusion was founded on a tissue of lies

"Tissue of lies", says the man from the Yes campaign. Ho ho ho.

Still yet to hear exactly what these lies were...

[0a]

This now seems to have turned into the 'fluffy' thread. Many people are biting.

Meanwhile in the real world in Scotland, we have moved on and there is no talk about referendums, independence and so on. About time!

[Cobnapint]

0a said:

Meanwhile in the real world in Scotland, we have moved on and there is no talk about referendums, independence and so on. About time!

Erm, you've clearly not heard the SNP recently.....

[whoami]

Cobnapint said:

0a said:

Meanwhile in the real world in Scotland, we have moved on and there is no talk about referendums, independence and so on. About time!

Erm, you've clearly not heard the SNP recently.....

Neither did most of the electorate.

[Troubleatmill]

0a said:

This now seems to have turned into the 'fluffy' thread. Many people are biting.

Meanwhile in the real world in Scotland, we have moved on and there is no talk about referendums, independence and so on. About time!

Well Fluffy is stirring it - rather than (using his words ) - "The settled will of the Scottish people"


It is a dead parrot.

It has ceased to be.


But Fluff will keep nailing the bloody thing onto a perch.


It is quite sad and embarrassing.

[0a]

Cobnapint said:

0a said:

Meanwhile in the real world in Scotland, we have moved on and there is no talk about referendums, independence and so on. About time!

Erm, you've clearly not heard the SNP recently.....

It's a minority of a minority that have no respect for the clear vote for no.

I'm not a fan of Nicola Sturgeon but as the next leader of the SNP she has seen the way the wind is blowing:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/scottish-indep...

[0a]

Troubleatmill said:

Well Fluffy is stirring it - rather than (using his words ) - "The settled will of the Scottish people"


It is a dead parrot.

It has ceased to be.


But Fluff will keep nailing the bloody thing onto a perch.


It is quite sad and embarrassing.

IGNORE.

[Cobnapint]

0a said:

Cobnapint said:

0a said:

Meanwhile in the real world in Scotland, we have moved on and there is no talk about referendums, independence and so on. About time!

Erm, you've clearly not heard the SNP recently.....

It's a minority of a minority that have no respect for the clear vote for no.

I'm not a fan of Nicola Sturgeon but as the next leader of the SNP she has seen the way the wind is blowing:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/scottish-indep...

Hang on a minute. You don't really believe she's putting all that iScotland ideology of the past 2 years behind her do you? Because I don't for a minute.

If anything, she's trying to do it through the back door. She wants to take Scotland right up to the threshold of I, without it quite being I, so that when it comes to the next referendum in about 15-20 years she can say 'we virtually run ourselves already guys - look!'

[Walford]

iBullst iDream, iLoads of oil

[Big Rod]

Troubleatmill said:

Well Fluffy is stirring it - rather than (using his words ) - "The settled will of the Scottish people"


It is a dead parrot.

It has ceased to be.


But Fluff will keep nailing the bloody thing onto a perch.


It is quite sad and embarrassing.

As was the whole fiasco for the past two years or so.

[Mojocvh]

0a said:

Troubleatmill said:

Well Fluffy is stirring it - rather than (using his words ) - "The settled will of the Scottish people"


It is a dead parrot.

It has ceased to be.


But Fluff will keep nailing the bloody thing onto a perch.


It is quite sad and embarrassing.

IGNORE.

http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/salmond-we-don-t-need-referendum-for-independence-1-3548270

What was that about the sovereign will of the Scottish people??

[simoid]

[Big Rod]

simoid said:

Ironic huh?

I'm up for closing the thread.

So far as I'm concerned, 'Scottish independence' is dead and buried.

Thank fk!

If Fluff feels so strongly I'm sure he can open anther one.

Edited by Big Rod on Saturday 27th September 00:39

[Alpacaman]

Perhaps we need a referendum on if we should close this thread? Is it the will of the Scottish people that the thread be closed? Or are you just scaremongering and bullying us?

[///ajd]

Cobnapint said:

0a said:

Cobnapint said:

0a said:

Meanwhile in the real world in Scotland, we have moved on and there is no talk about referendums, independence and so on. About time!

Erm, you've clearly not heard the SNP recently.....

It's a minority of a minority that have no respect for the clear vote for no.

I'm not a fan of Nicola Sturgeon but as the next leader of the SNP she has seen the way the wind is blowing:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/scottish-indep...

Hang on a minute. You don't really believe she's putting all that iScotland ideology of the past 2 years behind her do you? Because I don't for a minute.

If anything, she's trying to do it through the back door. She wants to take Scotland right up to the threshold of I, without it quite being I, so that when it comes to the next referendum in about 15-20 years she can say 'we virtually run ourselves already guys - look!'

Its true its a creeping split between us. It will only lead to more division and a race to the bottom with e.g. corp tax etc.

One thing not to forget though is the importance of the pound to us all in the UK. We share that and in doing so much share lots of other stuff too - and fairly!

I still favour bulldozer/holyrood option. The SNP act against the interests of westminster - elected by 55m - and that fundamentally is unbalanced and wrong. There is some kind of inter parliament respect code within the UK that is just missing.

[simoid]

What do Scottish MPs actually do? Much?

I wonder what the administrative representation and cost per head is for Scots and those with devolved powers is vs England.

[technodup]

fluffnik said:

mattmurdock said:

If you wish to campaign for abolition of the UK, then you are entitled to.

I have been all my adult life.

In that time there have been advances and setbacks, leading to some progress overall.

The current minor setback will not discourage me.

This referendum, rather than being a minor setback is the biggest setback/beating/disappointment you are ever likely to get on this issue.

It's a binary situation, UK or not. And we're UK. Talk of 'progress' is just that, talk; waffle. Like most of the Yes campaign.

You've had your chance and you blew it, this issue will gradually slide from view as more important events take over. And thank fk for that.

[Funk]

Moonhawk said:

NomduJour said:

Your hallowed leader pledged that there would be no second referendum for "a generation".....

I did see an interview with him though where he back tracked on this. He stated what he meant by "generation" was a "political generation".

He knew he was going to lose so moved the goalposts.

No second referendum for a living generation if they won, no second referendum for a political generation if they lost.

More SNP weasel words.

///ajd said:

I still favour bulldozer/holyrood option. The SNP act against the interests of westminster - elected by 55m - and that fundamentally is unbalanced and wrong. There is some kind of inter parliament respect code within the UK that is just missing.

Excellently put.

We should be pulling together and integrating more tightly than splitting apart and fighting.

All devolution should be unwound across the UK. Each country has representation in UK Parliament and that should suffice.

Edited by Funk on Saturday 27th September 13:50

[lamboman100]

Is this thread still raging on!

The pipedream is over. The Anglophobic, Cymrophobic, Hibernophobic, separatist, extremist "Yes" camp lost.

28 of all 32 Scotland wards voted "No". A landslide victory.

The English are now finally freeing themselves from Scottish oppression at Westminster.

Time to move on. The independence dream is over.

[fluffnik]

Wombat3 said:

fluffnik said:

mattmurdock said:

If you wish to campaign for abolition of the UK, then you are entitled to.

I have been all my adult life.

In that time there have been advances and setbacks, leading to some progress overall.

The current minor setback will not discourage me.

I wonder what your attitude would be in the event that the boot was on the other foot & re-unionists were seeking to end a bankrupt independent Scotland.

I'd likely mock them gently...

...In the extremely unlikely event of Scotland failing to prosper when freed from the parasitic maw of the UK.

Meanwhile, your other nemesis, UKIP, seem to be dismantling the Union even more fervently than me.

Wombat3 said:

Methinks you would probably want them locked up.

Nope, I'm utterly in favour of freedom of expression.

Wombat3 said:

I wonder also how much you happily take from the UK that you so despise? (aside from your freedom of speech, freedom of movement and the protection that your status as a UK citizen gives you).

I struggle to think of an advantage supposedly conveyed by the UK that is not equally well served by Scotland, the EU or other transnational bodies such as the ECHR.

Whilst I generally avoid travelling to places where carrying a British passport is suicidal, I've never experienced any occasion where responding to the query "British?" with "Scottish!" has been less than warmly received.

I'd sooner travel with an EU model passport that identified me as "European" rather than "British"...

I really, sincerely, see no positive purpose in the UK's continued existence.

Wombat3 said:

You are certainly not a democrat are you?

I'm mostly with Winston Churchill on that subject; I view it as, generally, the least worst solution, rather than an unconditional universal good.

Much as I enjoy the frothy rages into which I seem to drive you without effort, they are not my purpose in participating in this thread.

My aim is to attempt to explain why, I, like many others, would rather be a good neighbour to the rUK/EWNI/fUK/whateva than a grumpy lodger.