Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6

[NDA]

simoid said:

Sturgeon on the radio this morning saying it wouldn't be fair if the UK votes to leave the EU if Scots voted to stay. Further divisive politics and evidence that the SNP don't care about the result of the referendum and the considered will of the Scottish people.

Disgusting what they are doing to our countries.

Agree.

She is properly stupid.

[simoid]

Edinburger said:

Here's the info on each party's view on taxation which I mentioned the other day.

Well there's a shock, the yes parties want to split our country further.

Do we need or want different taxes complicating a highly effective and efficient single market?

I don't, anyway.

[McWigglebum4th]

simoid said:

Sturgeon on the radio this morning saying it wouldn't be fair if the UK votes to leave the EU if Scots voted to stay. Further divisive politics and evidence that the SNP don't care about the result of the referendum and the considered will of the Scottish people.

Disgusting what they are doing to our countries.

I intend to vote to leave the EU

1% of me thinks it is a good idea to leave

99% of me wants to annoy the YES morons

[Welshbeef]

Any comment please burger how Scotland will fill the new EU wealth tax ?

[simoid]

McWigglebum4th said:

I intend to vote to leave the EU

1% of me thinks it is a good idea to leave

99% of me wants to annoy the YES morons

You what, you mean the yes lot didn't want independence...?

[McWigglebum4th]

Welshbeef said:

Any comment please burger how Scotland will fill the new EU wealth tax ?

The plan is they wouldn't

They would sit there with the hand out asking for more free money

Why do you think europe was so important to them

basically they want the entire country to go on the dole

They didn't want to copy norway

They want to copy greece

[alftupper]

McWigglebum4th said:

The plan is they wouldn't

They would sit there with the hand out asking for more free money

Why do you think europe was so important to them

basically they want the entire country to go on the dole

They didn't want to copy norway

They want to copy greece

Edinburgh is the Athens of the North .

[Mojocvh]

Nicola Sturgeon calls for Scottish veto on EU referendum..

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/oct/29/ni...

Now why could that be?

[BlackLabel]

simoid said:

Sturgeon on the radio this morning saying it wouldn't be fair if the UK votes to leave the EU if Scots voted to stay. Further divisive politics and evidence that the SNP don't care about the result of the referendum and the considered will of the Scottish people.

Disgusting what they are doing to our countries.

In other words, they want to turn a possible in/out EU referendum into another in/out UK referendum. s!

Never thought I'd ever be cheering on Labour but I hope they win the next Holyrood election.

[Welshbeef]

Mojocvh said:

Nicola Sturgeon calls for Scottish veto on EU referendum..

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/oct/29/ni...

Now why could that be?

So does that mean she wants the Barnett formulae changed on 1/12/14 to account for the additional Wealth tax from EU or not willing to pay for it?

[Mojocvh]

http://news.stv.tv/north/297593-shell-announces-oi...

"Production at Brent Alpha and Brent Bravo will cease on Saturday."

[Wombat3]

Mojocvh said:

Nicola Sturgeon calls for Scottish veto on EU referendum..

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/oct/29/ni...

Now why could that be?

Because she's a jumped up tt who thinks that 5M people ought to hold sway over the wishes of 55M+

[McWigglebum4th]

doogz said:

Wombat3 said:

Because she's a jumped up tt who thinks that she ought to hold sway over the wishes of 55M+

EFA

EFA

[simoid]

Wombat3 said:

Because she's a jumped up tt who thinks that 5M people ought to hold sway over the wishes of 55M+

And Northern Ireland and Wales should effectively have a veto.

Imagine if we'd said all the regions of Scotland had to vote yes for independence

[AstonZagato]

Or that the whole of the UK had to vote yes to Scottish independence.

[Welshbeef]

Once all the regions have set up devolved parliaments and full budget and borrowing and at raising powers - does anyone thing the UK govt will start to off load the UK total debt to each region based on a legacy % share of that debt but they own it. Thereafter any new debt they will have created or borrowed themselves OR if its UK foreign affairs or MOD then the UK take on the borrowing but have a defence tax to each region to pay for it - which the regions cannot block (they could cut other taxes to their choice though)

[simoid]

Welshbeef said:

Once all the regions have set up devolved parliaments and full budget and borrowing and at raising powers - does anyone thing the UK govt will start to off load the UK total debt to each region based on a legacy % share of that debt but they own it. Thereafter any new debt they will have created or borrowed themselves OR if its UK foreign affairs or MOD then the UK take on the borrowing but have a defence tax to each region to pay for it - which the regions cannot block (they could cut other taxes to their choice though)

I don't think that'll happen. That's basically independence for regions which isn't wanted.

The UK works incredibly well as a risk pooling, debt sharing entity and common market, with various freedoms for cities regions and nations within. I hope fok stop arsing about with it rather sharpish.

[Welshbeef]

simoid said:

I don't think that'll happen. That's basically independence for regions which isn't wanted.

The UK works incredibly well as a risk pooling, debt sharing entity and common market, with various freedoms for cities regions and nations within. I hope fok stop arsing about with it rather sharpish.

But Scotland is getting Devo Max + and Wales are also making noises about wanting more powers - the vow means this is happening like it or not.

[simoid]

It seems fundamentally incompatible with the basis of the United Kingdom - spending based on need, not where the money comes from...?

[Welshbeef]

simoid said:

It seems fundamentally incompatible with the basis of the United Kingdom - spending based on need, not where the money comes from...?

Oh I agree and I'd like to see more money go to N Ireland and Wales and n England - though would people accept the Barnett formulae change to accommodate?? Nope.


You can have free Uni education heck the whole UK needs it (given your able to pass min requirements) but if there is a need elsewhere then that has to be stopped for now or tax rises.