Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6

[Welshbeef]

simoid said:

It seems fundamentally incompatible with the basis of the United Kingdom - spending based on need, not where the money comes from...?

I'd also say for situations such as Ebola or mass starvation etc then the UK govt puts in emergency tax rates on all working people as a temp measure to help out on the situation. We all know of the aid budget and we all/most contribute to worthy charities but in such instances a govt move where the public can see the desperate need then everyone takes a hit in the pocket. Better that way then "oh the deficits growing" debate.

[fluffnik]

simoid said:

It seems fundamentally incompatible with the basis of the United Kingdom

[simoid]

fluffnik said:

simoid said:

It seems fundamentally incompatible with the basis of the United Kingdom

Luckily it was just a hypothetical musing on an internet forum. Much like the campaign to break up the UK.



(The smiley being sticking tongue out in the more traditional manner!)

[Welshbeef]

fluffnik said:

simoid said:

It seems fundamentally incompatible with the basis of the United Kingdom

Fluffy - its also incompatible with the EU .

How's that £500 gift you have a stranger to feather his nest over giving it to a deserved charity?

[Edinburger]

Despite losing the referendum, the SNP clearly haven't done too bad a job given that headlines are screaming " Labour face near wipe out in next General Election".

[Edinburger]

simoid said:

Edinburger said:

Here's the info on each party's view on taxation which I mentioned the other day.

Well there's a shock, the yes parties want to split our country further.

Do we need or want different taxes complicating a highly effective and efficient single market?

I don't, anyway.

Suspect you've read that out of context and/or don't understand it?

[Edinburger]

Mojocvh said:

Edinburger said:

Saw this tweeted earlier; Mr Salmond's response to a letter. Fair play, I'd say.

First lie, "peaceful".

Aah, did I miss the rioting and the paramilitaries?

Edited by Edinburger on Thursday 30th October 18:42

[Edinburger]

Wombat3 said:

Edinburger said:

Corpulent Tosser said:

Free university education is a great thing if you want to go to univerity, if you don't wish to pay for someone else's kids to go to university it is not such a good thing.

Free basic education to secondary level should be free - IMO - university level education should be at least in part self funded, whether that be up front or by loans which will be paid back later I wouldn't mind.

You do realise that the so-called "free university" in Scotland is part self-funded?

You do realise that its funded to the tune of about £130M a year from English Students....?

Please explain that to me

[Edinburger]

Welshbeef said:

///ajd said:

To be fair to Welshb, the new tory logo could not be trying any harder to be not like the old well known tory flame. I had to google it.




Burger? How are the SNP going to fund free uni when the funding allocated in rUK goes down due to the loan repayments kicking in? Any ideas what will be cut or which taxes will be raised?

Lol he is still thinking what will be cut to pay the EU Scotland's share of the wealth tax. Its not far off what free Uni fees cost the budget.


Actually this is probably another plus for not being Indy - SNP claimed Scotland had a far higher GDP per capita than rUK as such they would have to chip in even more now in addition to loss of the rebate hmm jn addition to oil price being $80 when SNP plans were min oil price $110..... Ouch.

No, no, remember lads - as things stand today we forecast and negotiate our expenditure and are then given money to fund that per fiscal year. Simples.

[Edinburger]

///ajd said:

Edinburger said:

///ajd said:

There is no link between free university for millionaires and having lots of mountains.

30% of land mass is not a justification for free university spending.

It just suggests the SG are spending the extra money allocated on luxuries, not on essentials.

Enough!

Bye bye TBF. Rest in peace.

I, and others, have repeatedly explained the "free university" thing.

You either don't understand it or don't want to understand it.

Can't help you in that case.

You can't explain it as it is patently a benefit to Scots only, which either directly or otherwise, is enabled by the additional funding (£1200 per capita) provided under Barnett.

You cannot escape that fact.

Identifiable spending on higher education is much higher per person in Scotland than in the UK as a whole: £265 compared with £187 in 2011–12

What does landmass have to do with that?

Err... yes. We're given a budget to spend as we choose. Simple as that. We choose to spend some of that on removing tuition fees. English politicians choose to charge.

[Walford]

Edinburger said:

Err... yes. We're given a budget to spend as we choose. Simple as that. We choose to spend some of that on removing tuition fees. English politicians choose to charge.

and campaigning for Independence

[Walford]

If they were to make a film about the recent referendum, who would be in the cast, jimmy krankie?

[glazbagun]

Re: tuition fees, has anyone got the maths on how different the average degree cost to the taxpayer is in England vs Scotland? How much money is being argued over here?

By which I mean that if I go to a London uni to study Art and rack up £30K of student debt, it will probably be the taxpayer that pays it anyway. If I go to Glasgow to study art and end up a barman till I die, I've likely not cost the taxpayer any more or less than I would have before.

Whereas if I take a course which pushes me over the ~21(?)k threshold I'll slowly be paying down my English degree forever and a day as well as donating tax money to pay for all of the art/philosophy degrees out there.

How much is expected to be recouped by the portion of students who make into decent jobs and how reliable is the figure? IE: Is it definitely better than the known cost of free tuition?


Personally I think both systems are messed up. I'd have free education UK wide for anyone who wants an in-demand (by industry) course, with archaeologists, historians and artists (I'm making the assumption that there's a smaller economic demand here) stumping it up for themselves/applying for charitable bursaries/student loans.

[///ajd]

Couple of maps.





So burger, how will Scotland fund free Uni, once the funding from UK goes down due to English students being paid for by previous English students (hence Barnett spend allocation going down), but Scottish students being paid for out of cuts in Scottish spending as previous Scottish students are paying nothing? Big black hole coming - what is the answer? Higher tax, cut aid for poverty/welfare or just blame Westminster/English, as Scotland goes down the poo chute?

[simoid]

Edinburger said:

simoid said:

Edinburger said:

Here's the info on each party's view on taxation which I mentioned the other day.

Well there's a shock, the yes parties want to split our country further.

Do we need or want different taxes complicating a highly effective and efficient single market?

I don't, anyway.

Suspect you've read that out of context and/or don't understand it?

Why do you suspect that?

[Professor Barney]

I spotted this in the news yesterday, sorry if it's a repost:

http://news.stv.tv/north/297593-shell-announces-oi...

Oh aye? They kept that bloody quiet until after the referendum didn't they? Obviously STV are in the pockets of the SNP, with an eye on potential national media licensing deals no doubt! Can't believe something of such significance has not been made the #1 story on the Biased Broadcasting Corporation!

Looking back at the history of the platform it produced a peak of 500,000 barrels of oil per day in the late 70's, which is approximately 100 times more than the recent Marconi find, described as a 'major' discovery by that rag the Scottish Daily Star.

See - no voters can do the tin-hat stuff too :-)

[McWigglebum4th]

I see the residents ofDumpdee freedom city have opened the arms to our new environmental laws that strive to bring fairness and happiness to us all.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-cent...

[Big Rod]

McWigglebum4th said:

I see the residents ofDumpdee freedom city have opened the arms to our new environmental laws that strive to bring fairness and happiness to us all.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-cent...

It's all the Tory's fault you know! All the money raised is going straight in the Prime Minister's pocket!

[simoid]

Big Rod said:

It's all the Tory's fault you know! All the money raised is going straight in the Prime Minister's pocket!

1p per bag in VAT, dontchewknow!

[simoid]

Edinburger said:

Wombat3 said:

Edinburger said:

Corpulent Tosser said:

Free university education is a great thing if you want to go to univerity, if you don't wish to pay for someone else's kids to go to university it is not such a good thing.

Free basic education to secondary level should be free - IMO - university level education should be at least in part self funded, whether that be up front or by loans which will be paid back later I wouldn't mind.

You do realise that the so-called "free university" in Scotland is part self-funded?

You do realise that its funded to the tune of about £130M a year from English Students....?

Please explain that to me

I'm guessing the total number of English students at Scottish unis, multiplied by their annual fee, is £130,000,000.