Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6
Discussion
fluffnik said:
The Rev continues to provide excellent VFM, whilst I'm unsure a £31.25 nip ever could.
Oh God... I just spilt a glass or red on the carpet reading that.I might... jut might have to cancel my subscription to Private Eye.
Edited by Troubleatmill on Monday 10th November 21:35
davepoth said:
that's some good trollingsimoid said:
Edinburger said:
I'm far from his biggest fan. but I disagree with you there.
He has engaged an unprecedented amount of people in politics, has overseen the growth of the SNP from a minority party to winning a majority in an electoral system designed to never allow a majority, and the SNP now sits bas the third largest party in the UK (based on party membership).
Not quite "the whole of UK politics to a new low", eh?
You mean he's been good for the SNP.He has engaged an unprecedented amount of people in politics, has overseen the growth of the SNP from a minority party to winning a majority in an electoral system designed to never allow a majority, and the SNP now sits bas the third largest party in the UK (based on party membership).
Not quite "the whole of UK politics to a new low", eh?
A nasty, divisive, inward looking cult.
And it must be said, the ongoing reduction in the oil price just goes to prove what complete and utter nonsense the SNP have been spouting.
If the vote had been Yes, it would be interesting to see how the Scot Government would make the numbers work against the background of a falling oil price. The numbers in support of independence didn't even stack up when oil was $100 a barrel - now that it is $80 a barrel, the Scot Govs numbers look like a joke.
toppstuff said:
I am inclined to agree with the notion that the SNP is more of a force for bad, than for good. Any force which exists for the cause of separation rather than integration, or looks to divide rather than unite, isn't a good thing in the modern world IMO.
And it must be said, the ongoing reduction in the oil price just goes to prove what complete and utter nonsense the SNP have been spouting.
If the vote had been Yes, it would be interesting to see how the Scot Government would make the numbers work against the background of a falling oil price. The numbers in support of independence didn't even stack up when oil was $100 a barrel - now that it is $80 a barrel, the Scot Govs numbers look like a joke.
I wonder if Edinburger would care to elaborate on the apparent assumption that the growth of a particular party is good for politics. Reading his post again just looks like an advert for the SNP. It's an overused cliche, but could we say the same thing about Hitler - engaging more people, party growth, massive majority etc? Probably.And it must be said, the ongoing reduction in the oil price just goes to prove what complete and utter nonsense the SNP have been spouting.
If the vote had been Yes, it would be interesting to see how the Scot Government would make the numbers work against the background of a falling oil price. The numbers in support of independence didn't even stack up when oil was $100 a barrel - now that it is $80 a barrel, the Scot Govs numbers look like a joke.
Re. the oil price - the Nats have gone quiet on this front. They're too hung up on shouting "ah but I thought the oil was running out!!!!!!!!!" whenever a new discovery is made. (Just basing this on the few who remain posting independence nonsense on my Facebook feed )
fluffnik said:
barryrs said:
fluffnik said:
~£625/bottle
If only you hadn't wasted £500 on the Rev Could you point me to the Wings accounts? Surely the Rev has a detailed break down of how the alledeged £150k in donations has been/is being spent.
The published figures suggest that 250000 copies of the wee blue book were produced but that might well include downloads; who knows.
Even if we assume 250000 copies were printed and distributed by wings his own figures suggest thats only £7000.
Edited by barryrs on Tuesday 11th November 11:11
barryrs said:
Good to hear Fluff.
Could you point me to the Wings accounts? Surely the Rev has a detailed break down of how the alledeged £150k in donations has been/is being spent.
The published figures suggest that 250000 copies of the wee blue book were produced but that might well include downloads; who knows.
Even if we assume 250000 copies were printed and distributed by wings his own figures suggest thats only £7000.
I am delighted at the idea of the rev ripping these wkers offCould you point me to the Wings accounts? Surely the Rev has a detailed break down of how the alledeged £150k in donations has been/is being spent.
The published figures suggest that 250000 copies of the wee blue book were produced but that might well include downloads; who knows.
Even if we assume 250000 copies were printed and distributed by wings his own figures suggest thats only £7000.
simoid said:
toppstuff said:
I am inclined to agree with the notion that the SNP is more of a force for bad, than for good. Any force which exists for the cause of separation rather than integration, or looks to divide rather than unite, isn't a good thing in the modern world IMO.
And it must be said, the ongoing reduction in the oil price just goes to prove what complete and utter nonsense the SNP have been spouting.
If the vote had been Yes, it would be interesting to see how the Scot Government would make the numbers work against the background of a falling oil price. The numbers in support of independence didn't even stack up when oil was $100 a barrel - now that it is $80 a barrel, the Scot Govs numbers look like a joke.
I wonder if Edinburger would care to elaborate on the apparent assumption that the growth of a particular party is good for politics. Reading his post again just looks like an advert for the SNP. It's an overused cliche, but could we say the same thing about Hitler - engaging more people, party growth, massive majority etc? Probably.And it must be said, the ongoing reduction in the oil price just goes to prove what complete and utter nonsense the SNP have been spouting.
If the vote had been Yes, it would be interesting to see how the Scot Government would make the numbers work against the background of a falling oil price. The numbers in support of independence didn't even stack up when oil was $100 a barrel - now that it is $80 a barrel, the Scot Govs numbers look like a joke.
Re. the oil price - the Nats have gone quiet on this front. They're too hung up on shouting "ah but I thought the oil was running out!!!!!!!!!" whenever a new discovery is made. (Just basing this on the few who remain posting independence nonsense on my Facebook feed )
Would you prefer that politics doesn't expand from the current majority parties of Con/Lab/Lib. Don't you want to see any alternative parties or any fresh thinking? Are you equally bemused that UKIP contionues to gather momomentum? Topstuff - I assume you also feel the same and that UKIP also "isn't a good thing in the modern world"?
As for the National Socialist German Workers' Party, actually if you consider the social and the economic situation of 1930s Germany then it's quite easy to see why they proved so popular. If you look at some of their policies, you can understand how they gained support.
Now, it's very easy for people like you to see the word "national" and immediately compare that party to the Nazis, National Front, BNP, etc. However, I expected more from you.
Guam said:
Dear lord this thread is stil going on with the usual suspects still spouting bks
Newsflash Vote was held the bretheren got a kicking, quit the blathering and return to a normal existence, this ongoing nonsense is beginning to look like a desperate attempt to avoid reality.
Indeed. I am surprised that there still seems to be a hardcore that can't believe they lost. Newsflash Vote was held the bretheren got a kicking, quit the blathering and return to a normal existence, this ongoing nonsense is beginning to look like a desperate attempt to avoid reality.
toppstuff said:
Guam said:
Dear lord this thread is stil going on with the usual suspects still spouting bks
Newsflash Vote was held the bretheren got a kicking, quit the blathering and return to a normal existence, this ongoing nonsense is beginning to look like a desperate attempt to avoid reality.
Indeed. I am surprised that there still seems to be a hardcore that can't believe they lost. Newsflash Vote was held the bretheren got a kicking, quit the blathering and return to a normal existence, this ongoing nonsense is beginning to look like a desperate attempt to avoid reality.
The result and how people voted doesn't mean pragmatic conversation has to end.
Edinburger said:
Hang on a sec - is that aimed at me? I voted No!
The result and how people voted doesn't mean pragmatic conversation has to end.
It wasn't aimed at you in particular.The result and how people voted doesn't mean pragmatic conversation has to end.
But I think the debate has moved on.
The Yes camp lost, essentially because IMO they refused to tell the truth and hoped that the simple nationalist card would be enough.
The simple economic realities have since made the case for independence harder. With oil prices down some 28% since the summer, I think it is fair to say that if the referendum was held again there would be a focus on the issue of the economy over everything else - something the SNP would not have wanted..
The debate has moved on and I think it should do the same here.
toppstuff said:
Edinburger said:
Hang on a sec - is that aimed at me? I voted No!
The result and how people voted doesn't mean pragmatic conversation has to end.
It wasn't aimed at you in particular.The result and how people voted doesn't mean pragmatic conversation has to end.
But I think the debate has moved on.
The Yes camp lost, essentially because IMO they refused to tell the truth and hoped that the simple nationalist card would be enough.
The simple economic realities have since made the case for independence harder. With oil prices down some 28% since the summer, I think it is fair to say that if the referendum was held again there would be a focus on the issue of the economy over everything else - something the SNP would not have wanted..
The debate has moved on and I think it should do the same here.
Walford said:
Einion Yrth said:
Edinburger said:
I agree that the debate has moved on. This thread should be closed too.
Top Tip:If everybody stops posting on it, it will go away.
Edinburger said:
simoid said:
toppstuff said:
I am inclined to agree with the notion that the SNP is more of a force for bad, than for good. Any force which exists for the cause of separation rather than integration, or looks to divide rather than unite, isn't a good thing in the modern world IMO.
And it must be said, the ongoing reduction in the oil price just goes to prove what complete and utter nonsense the SNP have been spouting.
If the vote had been Yes, it would be interesting to see how the Scot Government would make the numbers work against the background of a falling oil price. The numbers in support of independence didn't even stack up when oil was $100 a barrel - now that it is $80 a barrel, the Scot Govs numbers look like a joke.
I wonder if Edinburger would care to elaborate on the apparent assumption that the growth of a particular party is good for politics. Reading his post again just looks like an advert for the SNP. It's an overused cliche, but could we say the same thing about Hitler - engaging more people, party growth, massive majority etc? Probably.And it must be said, the ongoing reduction in the oil price just goes to prove what complete and utter nonsense the SNP have been spouting.
If the vote had been Yes, it would be interesting to see how the Scot Government would make the numbers work against the background of a falling oil price. The numbers in support of independence didn't even stack up when oil was $100 a barrel - now that it is $80 a barrel, the Scot Govs numbers look like a joke.
Re. the oil price - the Nats have gone quiet on this front. They're too hung up on shouting "ah but I thought the oil was running out!!!!!!!!!" whenever a new discovery is made. (Just basing this on the few who remain posting independence nonsense on my Facebook feed )
Would you prefer that politics doesn't expand from the current majority parties of Con/Lab/Lib. Don't you want to see any alternative parties or any fresh thinking? Are you equally bemused that UKIP contionues to gather momomentum? Topstuff - I assume you also feel the same and that UKIP also "isn't a good thing in the modern world"?
As for the National Socialist German Workers' Party, actually if you consider the social and the economic situation of 1930s Germany then it's quite easy to see why they proved so popular. If you look at some of their policies, you can understand how they gained support.
Now, it's very easy for people like you to see the word "national" and immediately compare that party to the Nazis, National Front, BNP, etc. However, I expected more from you.
The growth of the SNP has been good for the SNP, but I'm not sure it helps anyone else.
simoid said:
I expected more from you than to completely miss my point (oh wait, no I didn't - it's basically your raison d'etre). I wasn't comparing the SNP to the Nazis or National Front. I was questioning your reasons for praising the SNP.
The growth of the SNP has been good for the SNP, but I'm not sure it helps anyone else.
In my view, the SNP has delivered more for Scotland than any other party at Holyrood. The growth of the SNP has been good for the SNP, but I'm not sure it helps anyone else.
It's also my view that a credible alternative to the usual suspects is a good thing.
Edinburger said:
Scotland's incoming first minister can say anything she likes, she could could also state that Scottish Parliament should have the power to declare that all SNP MP's should be hence forth referred to as leprechauns, thankfully Westminster still have the power to tell them to fk off. Although I quite like the idea of leprechauns as they are also delusional little tricksters that promise pots of gold at the end of the rainbow, so a lot of similarities there with SNP MP's.
Chim said:
Edinburger said:
Scotland's incoming first minister can say anything she likes, she could could also state that Scottish Parliament should have the power to declare that all SNP MP's should be hence forth referred to as leprechauns, thankfully Westminster still have the power to tell them to fk off. Although I quite like the idea of leprechauns as they are also delusional little tricksters that promise pots of gold at the end of the rainbow, so a lot of similarities there with SNP MP's.
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