Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6

[simoid]

Edinburger said:

Oh, he/she's argumentative today!

Just filling time between frames of Her Majesty's United Kingdom Snooker Championships

[motco]

simoid said:

Edinburger said:

simoid said:

Edinburger said:

Aah, an answer! So up to a 3% variance in a single tax is "the tools to change things"...!

Whoosh. Missed the point. AGAIN!

They've not used the tools.

If they had used the tools at their disposal, and then things weren't improving, then they'd have a point. But to sit with powers to make Scotland a "fairer and more equal place" and not use them, whilst also complaining about how Scotland is unfair and unequal, is the height of hypocrisy.

No - you missed the point.

Rollin said "they've had the tools to change things" and my point is that the ability to change up to 3% in income tax rates changes the square root of not a bloody lot!

Clearly you've more money than you need if you think 3% on/off your tax rates is insignificant!

They could've given the lowest earners in Scotland thousands of Pounds each in tax cuts but haven't bothered their arse! Hence - hypocrites. They could've made life fairer/easier for those who were complaining about Westminster austerity and voted YES to get rid of it.

But they didn't.

The point may be that 3 percentage points is not 3% but 15% when 20% is raised to 23%

[simoid]

motco said:

The point may be that 3 percentage points is not 3% but 15% when 20% is raised to 23%

Indeed. Jocky McMinimum Wage on c. £6/hour (rough average for the last few years of SNP power) making £240 per week, £12k per year, being taxed at 20% on c. £4k of earnings has paid c. £800 of income tax on averagae in the last 5 years.

AIUI, the SNP could've made that 17% tax instead, which would've been a saving of £120 per year. Aka half a week's wages.

But they didn't.

[A.J.M]

Who exactly are these "poor" in Scotland, how many of them are there and why have they only become a focus point in the last few years?

How would being Independent have solved it, what were the powers that would identify these people, and what would have been put in place to help them? Surely one of the yes voters, or Burger could tell me and the rest.

I'm expecting a nice long detailed answer to that one as surely with all the hype about helping the poor, the yes side must have had a very detailed list of how to help them.

Also, why can the Indy claims, not be delivered currently using the combined powers of Holyrood and Westminister?
What is stopping them being delivered now, or what has stopped them being delivered in the last decade and beyond from when Holyrood opened it's doors for business. It's been open and has had powers to change lives for years now, so what has been done to help them?



Also, read about the Clyde getting the contracts for the new ships being ordered by the MOD. I'm sure i've banged on about that for a while so it's nice to be able to say the following sentence.

I told you so.

[simoid]

I'm poor! I'd be richer if it wasn't for those meddling kidsEnglish!

[London424]

That oil price is a bit of a kick in the nads for the SNP isn't it.

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-30276353

I do hope that they will tell us how they are going to fune "their" shortfall to the UK coffers to keep spending commitments up north.

[simoid]

London424 said:

That oil price is a bit of a kick in the nads for the SNP isn't it.

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-30276353

I do hope that they will tell us how they are going to fune "their" shortfall to the UK coffers to keep spending commitments up north.

Awkward that we're below the lowest of the low estimates...

[Wombat3]

London424 said:

That oil price is a bit of a kick in the nads for the SNP isn't it.

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-30276353

I do hope that they will tell us how they are going to fune "their" shortfall to the UK coffers to keep spending commitments up north.

Oh indeed it is

http://order-order.com/2014/11/30/sturgeons-hopes-...

[simoid]

Wombat3 said:

Oh indeed it is

http://order-order.com/2014/11/30/sturgeons-hopes-...

"no one is buying oil above $100 next year…"

Maybe the SNP will be

[paulrockliffe]

As a net importer of oil surely the lower the price it is, the better we all are. Sure there's less money for the government to spunk up the wall, but the real economy will flourish for a while as everything will cost that bit less to make and move.

Yeah sure it makes those two idiots look more stupid, but there's only so stupid a person can look so it's not really doing them any harm.

[McWigglebum4th]

simoid said:

motco said:

The point may be that 3 percentage points is not 3% but 15% when 20% is raised to 23%

Indeed. Jocky McMinimum Wage on c. £6/hour (rough average for the last few years of SNP power) making £240 per week, £12k per year, being taxed at 20% on c. £4k of earnings has paid c. £800 of income tax on averagae in the last 5 years.

AIUI, the SNP could've made that 17% tax instead, which would've been a saving of £120 per year. Aka half a week's wages.

But they didn't.

On an average wage in scotland it would of brought in an average of £244 extra per person per year

with roughly 2,500,000 working people in scotland you are looking at £932,202,000 per year


mere washers


And of course we could look at the 13 years they didn't use the power for


So lets call it ten billion they could of got by taxing us all 3% more


That would run a few food banks

Edited by McWigglebum4th on Monday 1st December 17:30

[Welshbeef]

To answer the 3% is sod all debate

What is the average wage in Scotland
How many are working

Dead simple to get the max impact of the 3%?increase or decrease to the lower higher or "upper" tax rate.

[kowalski655]

So when Holyrood DOES get the power to change tax,does anyone know what they plan to change it to? If by less than 3% then their "Its yon sassenach's fault" cry will sound a little daft,as they didnt do then what they are doing now(or soon will be)

[Welshbeef]

kowalski655 said:

So when Holyrood DOES get the power to change tax,does anyone know what they plan to change it to? If by less than 3% then their "Its yon sassenach's fault" cry will sound a little daft,as they didnt do then what they are doing now(or soon will be)

Supposedly 1/5/14.

[Einion Yrth]

I've always loved Scotland. I fear that North McKorea will be less tempting.

[McWigglebum4th]

kowalski655 said:

So when Holyrood DOES get the power to change tax,does anyone know what they plan to change it to? If by less than 3% then their "Its yon sassenach's fault" cry will sound a little daft,as they didnt do then what they are doing now(or soon will be)

They have already promised to bump the top rate to at least 50%

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/SNP/11265...

Could be good news

for england

As the top jobs in the oil industry will vanish south

[simoid]

McWigglebum4th said:

They have already promised to bump the top rate to at least 50%

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/SNP/11265...

Could be good news

for england

As the top jobs in the oil industry will vanish south

Article said:

...she acknowledged London brings benefits to the Scottish economy...

BURN THE WITCH! SHUN THE NON-BELIEVER!!!

That'll be Fluff's SNP vote up for grabs then

[Welshbeef]

McWigglebum4th said:

They have already promised to bump the top rate to at least 50%

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/SNP/11265...

Could be good news

for england

As the top jobs in the oil industry will vanish south

Given labour are likely of winning next year they are going to bring it back anyway so no benefit to anyone

[McWigglebum4th]

Welshbeef said:

Given labour are likely of winning next year they are going to bring it back anyway so no benefit to anyone

You think they will let the labour scum tax the rich less then the SNP

If labour raise the top rate to 50% the SNP will want 60% at least

Ideally 99%

[kowalski655]

Only 99%? More like 110%