Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6
Discussion
McWigglebum4th said:
The reality is slightly more worrying
The powers will never be used
The SNP will just bang on about english oppression and hope we forget they have the power to help the poor
Are you being facetious?The powers will never be used
The SNP will just bang on about english oppression and hope we forget they have the power to help the poor
What is this "power" that you talk of?
Or is it just any old opportunity to criticise the SNP / Holyrood / Scotland, and you'll take it?
Edinburger said:
McWigglebum4th said:
The reality is slightly more worrying
The powers will never be used
The SNP will just bang on about english oppression and hope we forget they have the power to help the poor
Are you being facetious?The powers will never be used
The SNP will just bang on about english oppression and hope we forget they have the power to help the poor
What is this "power" that you talk of?
Or is it just any old opportunity to criticise the SNP / Holyrood / Scotland, and you'll take it?
And i see you are going for the good old criticize the SNP then you are criticizing Scotland line so beloved of the YES idiots
I can't see how you have such a hard on for the SNP
They claim to be helping the poor but give traitors like you and me a big fat tax break with frozen council tax
Oh wait
i remember why you love the SNP
You belive everyone in scotland is too stupid to be trusted to run their life without state interference
Edited by McWigglebum4th on Tuesday 2nd December 08:55
Edinburger said:
Are you being facetious?
What is this "power" that you talk of?
Or is it just any old opportunity to criticise the SNP / Holyrood / Scotland, and you'll take it?
Education, housing, health, income tax... Oh and a referendum special: childcare!What is this "power" that you talk of?
Or is it just any old opportunity to criticise the SNP / Holyrood / Scotland, and you'll take it?
But instead of taking the homeless off the streets this Christmas they're paying people to deflate tyres in car parks? Interesting.
Edited by simoid on Tuesday 2nd December 10:52
simoid said:
Education, housing, health, income tax...
But instead of taking the homeless off the streets this Christmas they're paying people to deflate tyres in car parks? Interesting.
The people of scotland are stupid and cannot be trusted to set their own tyres pressuresBut instead of taking the homeless off the streets this Christmas they're paying people to deflate tyres in car parks? Interesting.
The government MUST help them
simoid said:
The image you have supplied pops up every now and again on this thread and is nonsense.
Here are the Scottish government figures showing how much was spent in Scotland in terms of "identifiable" (ie obviously for the region of Scotland, so not London's sewer system or the roads of the south east) and "non-identifiable" ie army, interest payments.
As you can see, identifiable expenditure is above £50bn every year.
And to piss in your kettle a little more, we've spent more on identifiable expenditure in the last 5 years than we've taken in taxes, including our geographical share of the UK's oil.
Thanks for keeping my research brain active
Apologies for the delay in replying, whilst having a quick trawl of the web regarding the GERS figures came across this analysis in the comments section of this link regarding identifiable costs (84%) vs un-identifiable (16%)Here are the Scottish government figures showing how much was spent in Scotland in terms of "identifiable" (ie obviously for the region of Scotland, so not London's sewer system or the roads of the south east) and "non-identifiable" ie army, interest payments.
As you can see, identifiable expenditure is above £50bn every year.
And to piss in your kettle a little more, we've spent more on identifiable expenditure in the last 5 years than we've taken in taxes, including our geographical share of the UK's oil.
Thanks for keeping my research brain active
http://www.businessforscotland.co.uk/independence-...
Read from Ivan McKee says:
09/05/2013 at 2:13 pm
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Einion Yrth said:
McWigglebum4th said:
The people of scotland are stupid.
Well since they are apparently poised to elect the SNP with a landslide majority then I am, rather reluctantly, forced to conclude that they are.The Red Tories?
The Real Tories?
The Lib Dems?
Strocky said:
Apologies for the delay in replying, whilst having a quick trawl of the web regarding the GERS figures came across this analysis in the comments section of this link regarding identifiable costs (84%) vs un-identifiable (16%)
http://www.businessforscotland.co.uk/independence-...
Read from Ivan McKee says:
09/05/2013 at 2:13 pm
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OK. First of business for Scotland is your source? Really? That famous powerhouse grouping comprising a care home manager, a "consultant" and a hairdresser? http://www.businessforscotland.co.uk/independence-...
Read from Ivan McKee says:
09/05/2013 at 2:13 pm
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Secondly, even if you take what he says at face value (and the stuff about defence is laughable) he keeps making the point that Scotland would be able to make savings by sharing stuff with the rest of the UK! Which rather assumes that : a) the rest of the UK would have let you, b) that you don't already enjoy these savings as part of the Union.
andymadmak said:
OK. First of business for Scotland is your source? Really? That famous powerhouse grouping comprising a care home manager, a "consultant" and a hairdresser?
Secondly, even if you take what he says at face value (and the stuff about defence is laughable) he keeps making the point that Scotland would be able to make savings by sharing stuff with the rest of the UK! Which rather assumes that : a) the rest of the UK would have let you, b) that you don't already enjoy these savings as part of the Union.
http://chokkablog.blogspot.co.uk/2014/06/who-do-business-for-scotland-represent.htmlSecondly, even if you take what he says at face value (and the stuff about defence is laughable) he keeps making the point that Scotland would be able to make savings by sharing stuff with the rest of the UK! Which rather assumes that : a) the rest of the UK would have let you, b) that you don't already enjoy these savings as part of the Union.
Show me a actual business in business for scotland
andymadmak said:
OK. First of business for Scotland is your source? Really? That famous powerhouse grouping comprising a care home manager, a "consultant" and a hairdresser?
Secondly, even if you take what he says at face value (and the stuff about defence is laughable) he keeps making the point that Scotland would be able to make savings by sharing stuff with the rest of the UK! Which rather assumes that : a) the rest of the UK would have let you, b) that you don't already enjoy these savings as part of the Union.
Explain why it's laughable that the Scottish Defence budget would be far less than the current share of the UK's, unless you think an IS would being launching an attack on Putin or ISIS?Secondly, even if you take what he says at face value (and the stuff about defence is laughable) he keeps making the point that Scotland would be able to make savings by sharing stuff with the rest of the UK! Which rather assumes that : a) the rest of the UK would have let you, b) that you don't already enjoy these savings as part of the Union.
Your 2nd point is fair comment and would have been a political football if the referendum had went the other way
However the GERS figures don't take into account every penny contributed by Scotland as I touched on in my initial post (Supermarket VAT / Whisky Port of departure)
Is it really a surreal concept that a small resource rich country could at least outperform a UK up to it's oxters in debt?
Strocky said:
Explain why it's laughable that the Scottish Defence budget would be far less than the current share of the UK's, unless you think an IS would being launching an attack on Putin or ISIS?
Your 2nd point is fair comment and would have been a political football if the referendum had went the other way
However the GERS figures don't take into account every penny contributed by Scotland as I touched on in my initial post (Supermarket VAT / Whisky Port of departure)
Is it really a surreal concept that a small resource rich country could at least outperform a UK up to it's oxters in debt?
Seeing as that small resource rich country would have taken on its share of the debt, and it seems to be doing ok at the moment, no not really.Your 2nd point is fair comment and would have been a political football if the referendum had went the other way
However the GERS figures don't take into account every penny contributed by Scotland as I touched on in my initial post (Supermarket VAT / Whisky Port of departure)
Is it really a surreal concept that a small resource rich country could at least outperform a UK up to it's oxters in debt?
Oh wait a minute I'm forgetting this picture:
which might make you resource rich but cash poor.Strocky said:
Is it really a surreal concept that a small resource rich country could at least outperform a UK up to it's oxters in debt?
Not reallyHOWEVER
To do it then scotland would of been a very very different scotland from the one we were told we would be voting YES to
It would of meant massive spending cuts
Of course at this point you will scream that scotland spends far less then it takes in tax
Have you ever visited england?
I have
According to you lot the current 3% spending cuts means then complete end of civilization as we know it
The UK as a whole currently overspends by 10%
So if a 3% cut is the end of the world then over a 10% difference must be HUGE
So why is it when i visit england i can't see any difference from scotland?
McWigglebum4th said:
Have you ever visited england?
I have
According to you lot the current 3% spending cuts means then complete end of civilization as we know it
The UK as a whole currently overspends by 10%
So if a 3% cut is the end of the world then over a 10% difference must be HUGE
So why is it when i visit england i can't see any difference from scotland?
I earn 3x what my wife does, why isn't she poor.I have
According to you lot the current 3% spending cuts means then complete end of civilization as we know it
The UK as a whole currently overspends by 10%
So if a 3% cut is the end of the world then over a 10% difference must be HUGE
So why is it when i visit england i can't see any difference from scotland?
Because she is supported by the larger earner.
She also spends more on clothes than me and expects me to pay for her when we do something together.
Strocky said:
andymadmak said:
OK. First of business for Scotland is your source? Really? That famous powerhouse grouping comprising a care home manager, a "consultant" and a hairdresser?
Secondly, even if you take what he says at face value (and the stuff about defence is laughable) he keeps making the point that Scotland would be able to make savings by sharing stuff with the rest of the UK! Which rather assumes that : a) the rest of the UK would have let you, b) that you don't already enjoy these savings as part of the Union.
Explain why it's laughable that the Scottish Defence budget would be far less than the current share of the UK's, unless you think an IS would being launching an attack on Putin or ISIS?Secondly, even if you take what he says at face value (and the stuff about defence is laughable) he keeps making the point that Scotland would be able to make savings by sharing stuff with the rest of the UK! Which rather assumes that : a) the rest of the UK would have let you, b) that you don't already enjoy these savings as part of the Union.
Your 2nd point is fair comment and would have been a political football if the referendum had went the other way
However the GERS figures don't take into account every penny contributed by Scotland as I touched on in my initial post (Supermarket VAT / Whisky Port of departure)
Is it really a surreal concept that a small resource rich country could at least outperform a UK up to it's oxters in debt?
It's a silly point I am making on one level, but it illustrates the paucity of thinking displayed by the SNP on defence matters. The articles defence budget estimates do not appear to take into account the hard costs of having enough kit of the right quality to be able to defend yourself effectively. - we can leave aside Mr Salmonds assertions that Scotland would be an active partner in NATO! Defence spending is what it is across the whole of the UK and we just about hold our own at the moment.......
On your point about the GERS figures, I don't think you are correct. There might be a few more hundreds of millions unaccounted for by Whiskey and such like, but the reality of it is that Scotland already spends BILLIONS more than it takes taxes - just like the rest of the UK. The recent fall in oil prices would have blown a further MASSIVE hole in IS finances. - A hole you would have found almost impossible to fill without a currency to borrow under. The fall hurts UK as a whole right now, but as a strong set of shoulders we can all carry the burden.....
One last point. You made an extremely offensive comment a few pages back when posters criticised Mr Salmond for wiping his nose on the flag of England. I believe you suggested that he should have wiped his arse on it instead? Perhaps you might consider a retraction?
Strocky said:
simoid said:
The image you have supplied pops up every now and again on this thread and is nonsense.
Here are the Scottish government figures showing how much was spent in Scotland in terms of "identifiable" (ie obviously for the region of Scotland, so not London's sewer system or the roads of the south east) and "non-identifiable" ie army, interest payments.
As you can see, identifiable expenditure is above £50bn every year.
And to piss in your kettle a little more, we've spent more on identifiable expenditure in the last 5 years than we've taken in taxes, including our geographical share of the UK's oil.
Thanks for keeping my research brain active
Apologies for the delay in replying, whilst having a quick trawl of the web regarding the GERS figures came across this analysis in the comments section of this link regarding identifiable costs (84%) vs un-identifiable (16%)Here are the Scottish government figures showing how much was spent in Scotland in terms of "identifiable" (ie obviously for the region of Scotland, so not London's sewer system or the roads of the south east) and "non-identifiable" ie army, interest payments.
As you can see, identifiable expenditure is above £50bn every year.
And to piss in your kettle a little more, we've spent more on identifiable expenditure in the last 5 years than we've taken in taxes, including our geographical share of the UK's oil.
Thanks for keeping my research brain active
http://www.businessforscotland.co.uk/independence-...
Read from Ivan McKee says:
09/05/2013 at 2:13 pm
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mcdjl said:
Seeing as that small resource rich country would have taken on its share of the debt, and it seems to be doing ok at the moment, no not really.
Oh wait a minute I'm forgetting this picture: which might make you resource rich but cash poor.
I forgot Oil was only discovered in the last 3 months Oh wait a minute I'm forgetting this picture:
which might make you resource rich but cash poor.
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