Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6

[McWigglebum4th]

Hey edinurgh

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/snp-tri...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-pol...

Still impressed by the SNP and their love of democracy

[NicD]

McWigglebum4th said:

Hey edinurgh

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/snp-tri...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-pol...

Still impressed by the SNP and their love of democracy

I agree with them, but for the opposite reason. Why not another referendum with no promises this time and get it over with.

[mcdjl]

McWigglebum4th said:

Hey edinurgh

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/snp-tri...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-pol...

Still impressed by the SNP and their love of democracy

It's interesting (telling?) that they seem to believe that giving the SNP (themselves) the power to vary income tax levels will lead to tax rises....

[Welshbeef]

So Sturgeon is nailing herself to the SNP claptrap and has stated that in 2015 (she hinted at early but let's give the the entire year) that oil prices will be "well above $100" so no cuts in spending will be required.



Even if that is that case what about the time between June 2014 and whenever this supposedly happens next year? They are banking on wasn't it £6billions a year hmm. Me thinks those income tax rising powers for Scotland 1/5/15 will be used very quickly.

[McWigglebum4th]

mcdjl said:

It's interesting (telling?) that they seem to believe that giving the SNP (themselves) the power to vary income tax levels will lead to tax rises....

And they don't want young talented people leaving scotland to escape those higher taxes


Lets consider north korea

Hates it richer neighbours to the south
Blames everything on the rest of the world
Lies about it being the most powerful nation on earth
Worships one leader who hands power over to their chosen successor
Always gets the party they vote for
Silences anyone who speaks out against the nationalist party
and they don't let anyone escape


Nope completely different to the SNP

[Strocky]

A.J.M said:

Strocky, can you answer my questions as you seem like a yes person?

Although I'm dubious you have an open mind, I'll answer your question

Offsetting the bedroom tax
Free Prescriptions
The Referendum / Smith Commission
Ryder Cup / Commonwealth Games
Apprenticeships
Forth Road Crossing
Council Tax Freeze
Abolishing Bridge Tolls
Ensuring a balanced budget is a legal requirement of any SG
Abolishing Tuition Fees (if you're not a manky Sassenach)
Showing compassion to am innocent incarcerated dying man and giving two fingers to the Yanks at the same time

So more here -:

http://sb.snp.org/achievements/untitled.html

Also happy with their new push to modernise the Land Laws especially when it winds up the Tories enough to call Sturgeon, "Nicola Mugabe"

TBF there are things I disagree with on the SNP, for example -:

Offensive Behaviour Bill
Giving the Police to much power IMO
Trying to get rid of corroboration (Although with that halfwit McAskill demoted hopefully it will go with him)
New alcohol limted being lowered that will result in the day after the night punters running the risk of losing their licence

[Strocky]

simoid said:

I'm guessing we've met them before in a different guise.

Same st as previous posters, quips instead of genuine debate, has no problem punting out PHisms like "fixed that for you"... who else would join PH to talk about the Scottish referendum if it wasn't someone to wind us up?

Not at all, joined up initially as I'm thinking of getting a M6, found this thread and decided to get my feet wet

[Strocky]

McWigglebum4th said:

Strocky said:

McWigglebum4th said:

You mean a gobby idiot who can't answer questions

Big brave words from a supine Unionist cuckold

You are a typical YES wker

Your total life is an utter fking failure

You know how fking hopeless you are


You life is a failure because of you, you and you


Westminster and the english are powerless to hold me back

Why have they held you back?

And breathe......What an angry wee man you are, reminds me of the attitude of your Loyalist Brethren that rioted in victory @ George Square, permanently raging, win, lose or draw

I'd wager the only thing that's held you back was your teacher at school, flaccid baws

[blinkythefish]

Strocky said:

A.J.M said:

Strocky, can you answer my questions as you seem like a yes person?

Although I'm dubious you have an open mind, I'll answer your question

Offsetting the bedroom tax
Free Prescriptions
The Referendum / Smith Commission
Ryder Cup / Commonwealth Games
Apprenticeships
Forth Road Crossing
Council Tax Freeze
Abolishing Bridge Tolls
Ensuring a balanced budget is a legal requirement of any SG
Abolishing Tuition Fees (if you're not a manky Sassenach)
Showing compassion to am innocent incarcerated dying man and giving two fingers to the Yanks at the same time

So more here -:

http://sb.snp.org/achievements/untitled.html

Also happy with their new push to modernise the Land Laws especially when it winds up the Tories enough to call Sturgeon, "Nicola Mugabe"

TBF there are things I disagree with on the SNP, for example -:

Offensive Behaviour Bill
Giving the Police to much power IMO
Trying to get rid of corroboration (Although with that halfwit McAskill demoted hopefully it will go with him)
New alcohol limted being lowered that will result in the day after the night punters running the risk of losing their licence

But these are all things that have been done without independence. The question was, what is the magic bullet that independence will provide, which will solve all of Scotlands woes and make it the land of milk and honey predicted by the SNP? Tax raising powers? keeping the Oil revenue?

You have 3 numpty councillors pissing all over the democratic process by burning the Smith commision report and complaining they are not getting the powers they need, but no one is ever very forthcoming explaining what those powers are and (more importantly) how they would use them.

[simoid]

Welshbeef said:

So Sturgeon is nailing herself to the SNP claptrap and has stated that in 2015 (she hinted at early but let's give the the entire year) that oil prices will be "well above $100" so no cuts in spending will be required.



Even if that is that case what about the time between June 2014 and whenever this supposedly happens next year? They are banking on wasn't it £6billions a year hmm. Me thinks those income tax rising powers for Scotland 1/5/15 will be used very quickly.

Not sure anyone will be buying oil at $100 a barrel next year as (or did I read it here?) the futures prices for oil next year don't get near that...

[Einion Yrth]

simoid said:

Not sure anyone will be buying oil at $100 a barrel next year as (or did I read it here?) the futures prices for oil next year don't get near that...

As far as I can tell those in the know are hedging against it going even lower. Niccy the fish is in cloud cuckoo land.

[Strocky]

blinkythefish said:

But these are all things that have been done without independence. The question was, what is the magic bullet that independence will provide, which will solve all of Scotlands woes and make it the land of milk and honey predicted by the SNP? Tax raising powers? keeping the Oil revenue?

You have 3 numpty councillors pissing all over the democratic process by burning the Smith commision report and complaining they are not getting the powers they need, but no one is ever very forthcoming explaining what those powers are and (more importantly) how they would use them.

The powers the SNP want are/where quite clear, full independence so that they control ALL the economic levers of the country to help shape a country who the majority seem to want a different way of governance from the way the UK is currently run at the moment

A stop to foreign interventionist wars
Removal of Nuclear Weapons
Not outsourcing the welfare system to a "for profit" corporation
Actually tackling food poverty (not lauding foodbanks as the answer to government failing their citizens)
Eradication of the unelected House of Lords
Offering free childcare to encourage women to get back into work and help generate Income Tax
Eradicating Zero Hour Contracts

Now all of the above will come at a cost and obviously if the Oil/Whisky/VAT revenues wouldn't cover it (currently being used by Westminster to pay the interest on the deficit) then Income Tax would have to be increased in an IS

I'd argue that there would be more of an appetite in Scotland than England for the majority to be happy to contribute more to a fairer society

A couple of grand a year out of my wage packet would'nt make any material difference to my lifestyle for instance

Re the three numpties, what is it with extremists getting their panties wet about some childish symbolism when there are a thousand worse things going on daily?

[blinkythefish]

Strocky said:

A stop to foreign interventionist wars

Except for when the SNP were in favour of Syrian intervention

Strocky said:

Removal of Nuclear Weapons

Except for remaining a member of NATO, and adopting a "don't ask" policy about other NATO members being in Scottish waters with Nuclear weapons.

Strocky said:

Actually tackling food poverty (not lauding foodbanks as the answer to government failing their citizens)

Nothing to stop them doing this now. Perhaps they could remove free prescriptions from wealthy pensioners.

Strocky said:

Eradication of the unelected House of Lords

Far better that they use the comittee oversight process like some sort of propoganda machine:

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/benrileysmith/10...

Strocky said:

Offering free childcare to encourage women to get back into work and help generate Income Tax

Which became financially viable when more mothers to return to work than there currently are in Scotland.

Strocky said:

Now all of the above will come at a cost and obviously if the Oil/Whisky/VAT revenues wouldn't cover it (currently being used by Westminster to pay the interest on the deficit) then Income Tax would have to be increased in an IS

The Debt doesn't disappear just because the Nationalists flounce off into the sunset. It would still need to be serviced. And income tax raising powers have been available to them since Holyrood opened.

Strocky said:

A couple of grand a year out of my wage packet would'nt make any material difference to my lifestyle for instance

Hmmm, not sure I remember that particular line from the Yes campaign. It was all "Oil Funds", "we'll be rich" and "500 a year better off". Perhaps if they had applied a bit of honesty about what independence may mean they migh have got more than 38% of the Scottish elecorate to vote yes.

[Rollin]

It seems there's still people in Scotland that think 45% is a win.

[McWigglebum4th]

blinkythefish said:

Strocky said:

A couple of grand a year out of my wage packet would'nt make any material difference to my lifestyle for instance

Hmmm, not sure I remember that particular line from the Yes campaign. It was all "Oil Funds", "we'll be rich" and "500 a year better off". Perhaps if they had applied a bit of honesty about what independence may mean they migh have got more than 38% of the Scottish elecorate to vote yes.

Nope don't remember that either

I remember being told that if i voted YES i would see huge spending increases and tax cuts meaning i would be vastly better off

Hence i voted NO as i didn't belive a bit of we would all be richer line

When i said that independence would cost me A couple of grand a year out of my wage packet i was called a scaremongering english tory

But now we have a nationalist saying that independence would of cost me A couple of grand a year out of my wage packet


Sorry

Bit late to be honest

As the YES side lost

[McWigglebum4th]

Strocky said:

The powers the SNP want are/where quite clear, full independence so that they control ALL the economic levers of the country to help shape a country who the majority seem to want a different way of governance from the way the UK is currently run at the moment

less then 38% voted YES

How is that a majority?

[Troubleatmill]

McWigglebum4th said:

blinkythefish said:

Strocky said:

A couple of grand a year out of my wage packet would'nt make any material difference to my lifestyle for instance

Hmmm, not sure I remember that particular line from the Yes campaign. It was all "Oil Funds", "we'll be rich" and "500 a year better off". Perhaps if they had applied a bit of honesty about what independence may mean they migh have got more than 38% of the Scottish elecorate to vote yes.

Nope don't remember that either

I remember being told that if i voted YES i would see huge spending increases and tax cuts meaning i would be vastly better off

Hence i voted NO as i didn't belive a bit of we would all be richer line

When i said that independence would cost me A couple of grand a year out of my wage packet i was called a scaremongering english tory

But now we have a nationalist saying that independence would of cost me A couple of grand a year out of my wage packet


Sorry

Bit late to be honest

As the YES side lost

But... more to the point ---- did you win the Ipad that was promised?

[Strocky]

McWigglebum4th said:

Nope don't remember that either

I remember being told that if i voted YES i would see huge spending increases and tax cuts meaning i would be vastly better off

Hence i voted NO as i didn't belive a bit of we would all be richer line

When i said that independence would cost me A couple of grand a year out of my wage packet i was called a scaremongering english tory

But now we have a nationalist saying that independence would of cost me A couple of grand a year out of my wage packet


Sorry

Bit late to be honest

As the YES side lost

Again that's not what I said, but thanks for playing

[Strocky]

McWigglebum4th said:

less then 38% voted YES

How is that a majority?

The SNP hold a majority at Holyrood (despite Labour trying to rig that never happening at the outset)

However I was answering BlinkyTheFish's "magic bullet" question when I replied to the bit you quoted

[Strocky]

So to the Unionists on here, who are you voting for in the UK GE and then the Scottish GE and why?