Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6

[5pen]

Strocky said:

The powers the SNP want are/where quite clear, full independence so that they control ALL the economic levers of the country to help shape a country who the majority seem to want a different way of governance from the way the UK is currently run at the moment

If the SNP wanted to control ALL the economic levers of the country why was their favoured plan to enter into a currency union with the rest of the UK? Even after they were advised that this was a non-starter.

Majority, noun, "The greater part or number; the number larger than half the total"

[McWigglebum4th]

simoid said:

22% of Scotland was enough to get them a Holyrood majority in 2011, and I'm fairly sure the referendum and associated ramblings/rhetoric has increased their support.

The SNP lost the referndum but have gained the most.

Don't forget

the higher the YES vote = the lower the voter turnout

[5STM5]

Strocky said:

So to the Unionists on here, who are you voting for in the UK GE and then the Scottish GE and why?

Conservative in both. Tactical voting to keep SNP out, although I'd likely vote Conservative anyway.
There is tactical vote by area image doing the rounds on Twitter etc. The next 2 elections in Scotland (GE and HR) will likely be largely based on tactical voting, caused purely by the SNP post referendum crap. Good work.

[barryrs]

5STM5 said:

Strocky said:

So to the Unionists on here, who are you voting for in the UK GE and then the Scottish GE and why?

Conservative in both. Tactical voting to keep SNP out, although I'd likely vote Conservative anyway.
There is tactical vote by area image doing the rounds on Twitter etc. The next 2 elections in Scotland (GE and HR) will likely be largely based on tactical voting, caused purely by the SNP post referendum crap. Good work.

Hang on; are you in Scotland?????

This cant be that case as nobody in Scotland votes Tory; after-all that would mean some Scots got the government they voted for.

[andymadmak]

barryrs said:

5STM5 said:

Strocky said:

So to the Unionists on here, who are you voting for in the UK GE and then the Scottish GE and why?

Conservative in both. Tactical voting to keep SNP out, although I'd likely vote Conservative anyway.
There is tactical vote by area image doing the rounds on Twitter etc. The next 2 elections in Scotland (GE and HR) will likely be largely based on tactical voting, caused purely by the SNP post referendum crap. Good work.

Hang on; are you in Scotland?????

This cant be that case as nobody in Scotland votes Tory; after-all that would mean some Scots got the government they voted for.

Apparently about one in six Scots (16.7%) who voted in 2010 got the (Conservative) Government they voted for - It rises to just under 36% if you include the Lib Dem voters.

The SNP polled 19.9%

Interestingly the Conservative vote was up by almost 1% compared to the previous election.

[bp1]

neelyp said:

Strocky said:

So to the Unionists on here, who are you voting for in the UK GE and then the Scottish GE and why?

Anybody who will get the SNP to fk.
Hopefully forever.

In my case it'll be labour (never thought I'd vote for them, the useless feckers) but I can't ever bring myself to vote for the claptrap peddled by the SNP.

[Ecosseven]

Probably Labour. Tactical vote to try and prevent the SNP winning.

[NEEP]

andymadmak said:

Interestingly the Conservative vote was up by almost 1% compared to the previous election.

Yes, it went from 100 to 101, I was staggered

[bodhi]

NEEP said:

Yes, it went from 100 to 101, I was staggered

So there are only 606 people in Scotland then?

[Risky Shift]

Strocky said:

So to the Unionists on here, who are you voting for in the UK GE and then the Scottish GE and why?

Another two Labour votes here; I'll gladly swallow my feelings about how much of a shambles they currently are to try and hold back the SNP tide.

[Janluke]

Strocky said:

So to the Unionists on here, who are you voting for in the UK GE and then the Scottish GE and why?

Normally vote tory, voted SNP once but voting labour this time purely as I think they have the best chance of beating the SNP. Its a hard choice as I believe my local area is very well served by SNP councillors/MSP, they work hard, listen to local opinion but I feel so strongly about remaining part of the Union I won't vote for any party holding separatist views

[NEEP]

bodhi said:

NEEP said:

andymadmak said:

Interestingly the Conservative vote was up by almost 1% compared to the previous election.

Yes, it went from 100 to 101, I was staggered

So there are only 606 people in Scotland then?

Did you consider the fact that I was possibly not being entirely serious.

Here is a word to help you out

facetious

adjective
treating serious issues with deliberately inappropriate humour; flippant.
synonyms:flippant, flip, glib, frivolous, tongue-in-cheek, waggish, whimsical, joking, jokey, jesting, jocular, playful, roguish, impish, teasing, arch, mischievous, puckish
"a facetious remark"

HTH

[Strocky]

McWigglebum4th said:

So what are you saying?

Are you saying independence would not of cost me A couple of grand a year out of my wage packet

Again it was in regards to the hypothetical question posed

IF Scotland had gained independence AND the Oil Price had dropped below the rate that the SNP budget was set on in the White Paper, the choices would be to either cut services or raise taxes to cover the shortfall

I was only stating personally that I would be happy to pay more in tax (to a level that didn't affect my standard of living) if it meant the progressive public policies where kept rather than cut or abandoned

I was only speaking for myself

[Strocky]

McWigglebum4th said:

More then likely tory

for one reason

They are the mostly likely party in my local area to keep the SNP out


Or UKIP


As i am not afraid of independence from europe

[Strocky]

McWigglebum4th said:

they won 44% of the vote in the 2011 election

you know the election where 50.1% of electorate actually voted


so roughly 22% of the electorate


Yeah

That is a vast majority of scotland

Semantics and you know it, unless you can show me any Westminster Government that was voted in with an absolute "majority" in terms of total votes cast / total electorate

[Strocky]

5pen said:

If the SNP wanted to control ALL the economic levers of the country why was their favoured plan to enter into a currency union with the rest of the UK? Even after they were advised that this was a non-starter.

Majority, noun, "The greater part or number; the number larger than half the total"

It was to allay fears to the purse clutching stebags and to force Westminster into either backing a CU or allowing an IS to start with no debt

[simoid]

Thank goodness an unpredictable reserve like oil is only a couple of % of our tax receipts, and not 10x that proportion.

[Strocky]

andymadmak said:

Apparently about one in six Scots (16.7%) who voted in 2010 got the (Conservative) Government they voted for - It rises to just under 36% if you include the Lib Dem voters.

The SNP polled 19.9%

Interestingly the Conservative vote was up by almost 1% compared to the previous election.

Scottish voters do vote tactically for two different parties depending on it being a UK or Scottish GE

[Strocky]

Risky Shift said:

Another two Labour votes here; I'll gladly swallow my feelings about how much of a shambles they currently are to try and hold back the SNP tide.

Scottish voting intentions for the May 2015 UK general election :

SNP 43.6% (+2.6)
Labour 26.0% (-1.1)
Conservatives 15.6% (-1.0)
Liberal Democrats 6.3% (-0.7)
UKIP 4.6% (+0.7)
Greens 2.3% (-0.6)

http://scotgoespop.blogspot.co.uk/

[Strocky]

Janluke said:

Normally vote tory, voted SNP once but voting labour this time purely as I think they have the best chance of beating the SNP. Its a hard choice as I believe my local area is very well served by SNP councillors/MSP, they work hard, listen to local opinion but I feel so strongly about remaining part of the Union I won't vote for any party holding separatist views

So you'd seriously rather proudly proclaim being British even if it meant you had worse local services for you and your fellow citizens?

Do you suck your thumb when you're lying under your UJ duvet?