Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6
Discussion
Strocky said:
Risky Shift said:
Another two Labour votes here; I'll gladly swallow my feelings about how much of a shambles they currently are to try and hold back the SNP tide.
Scottish voting intentions for the May 2015 UK general election :SNP 43.6% (+2.6)
Labour 26.0% (-1.1)
Conservatives 15.6% (-1.0)
Liberal Democrats 6.3% (-0.7)
UKIP 4.6% (+0.7)
Greens 2.3% (-0.6)
http://scotgoespop.blogspot.co.uk/
(The SNP are actually down in support since then - 44% of votes in 2011 IIRC)
Strocky said:
Janluke said:
Normally vote tory, voted SNP once but voting labour this time purely as I think they have the best chance of beating the SNP. Its a hard choice as I believe my local area is very well served by SNP councillors/MSP, they work hard, listen to local opinion but I feel so strongly about remaining part of the Union I won't vote for any party holding separatist views
So you'd seriously rather proudly proclaim being British even if it meant you had worse local services for you and your fellow citizens? Do you suck your thumb when you're lying under your UJ duvet?
Doesn't mean they're not utter roasters intent on splitting Scotland for personal and party political gain.
simoid said:
Thank goodness an unpredictable reserve like oil is only a couple of % of our tax receipts, and not 10x that proportion.
A bit more meat for your boneshttp://www.ifs.org.uk/bns/bn135.pdf
Strocky said:
simoid said:
Thank goodness an unpredictable reserve like oil is only a couple of % of our tax receipts, and not 10x that proportion.
A bit more meat for your boneshttp://www.ifs.org.uk/bns/bn135.pdf
Strocky said:
So you'd seriously rather proudly proclaim being British even if it meant you had worse local services for you and your fellow citizens?
Do you suck your thumb when you're lying under your UJ duvet?
I think what I trying to say is I don't have a black and white view of the SNP or indeed Yes voters. I can acknowledge the SNP have done some good for Scotland but the independence issue is something I feel strongly about. I think the local services across the board would be worse if we where independent.Do you suck your thumb when you're lying under your UJ duvet?
I realise your last point was tongue in cheek but I'm not a great fan of flags I think the only one in the house is a small one on my Triumph bike. Thumb sucking I'll admit to :-)
Strocky said:
So you'd seriously rather proudly proclaim being British even if it meant you had worse local services for you and your fellow citizens?
Do you suck your thumb when you're lying under your UJ duvet?
Since this whole debate has startedDo you suck your thumb when you're lying under your UJ duvet?
I have told people i am english
As being scottish is too embarrassing as folk think of angry little tts like you
Strocky said:
5pen said:
If the SNP wanted to control ALL the economic levers of the country why was their favoured plan to enter into a currency union with the rest of the UK? Even after they were advised that this was a non-starter.
Majority, noun, "The greater part or number; the number larger than half the total"
It was to allay fears to the purse clutching stebags and to force Westminster into either backing a CU or allowing an IS to start with no debtMajority, noun, "The greater part or number; the number larger than half the total"
I thought it was because they had no credible plan for a currency of their own and wanted to retain the BoE as a lender of last resort to a foreign country?
Whatever, the point is that their plan was not in any way going to give them control of ALL economic levers as you suggested was their aim.
NoNeed said:
I wonder which one of the banned sepratists strocky is
Yes, he seems to talk the same amount of nonsense (an unrelenting torrent of utter horse poo).Just look at that complete tosh about a CU and 'forcing westminster' to leave an IS with no debt. The SNP realised there was no escape from the debt, they just said sh*t like that as they realised some (most?) of their supporters were stupid enough to believe it and spout it.
///ajd said:
Yes, he seems to talk the same amount of nonsense (an unrelenting torrent of utter horse poo).
Just look at that complete tosh about a CU and 'forcing westminster' to leave an IS with no debt. The SNP realised there was no escape from the debt, they just said sh*t like that as they realised some (most?) of their supporters were stupid enough to believe it and spout it.
Ya. Does them no harm, but polarizes opinion.Just look at that complete tosh about a CU and 'forcing westminster' to leave an IS with no debt. The SNP realised there was no escape from the debt, they just said sh*t like that as they realised some (most?) of their supporters were stupid enough to believe it and spout it.
Quite the modus operandi.
Giving Devo Max and the fact that Scotland will raise all of its borrowing is a very smart move --- why? Over the period of time the legacy debt will errode down/need refinancing at each point Scotland will take the chunk of that debt --- basically snookered them from ever trying to walk away with zero debt.
Also it will prove beyond doubt that they cannot run a balanced budget with oil revenue a key factor of the tax revenue.
One question IF Osbourne announces that Borth Sea get tax breaks for investment does that mean Scotland get less via block grant to pay for that or is it simply considered a freebie?
Also it will prove beyond doubt that they cannot run a balanced budget with oil revenue a key factor of the tax revenue.
One question IF Osbourne announces that Borth Sea get tax breaks for investment does that mean Scotland get less via block grant to pay for that or is it simply considered a freebie?
Strocky said:
So to the Unionists on here, who are you voting for in the UK GE and then the Scottish GE and why?
Labour - just to try and keep the SNP out which should happen where I live since Labour have a 15 or 16k majority here.I think the polls which show the Nats getting 45+ seats in May are over estimations. They will get 20 plus/minus 5 imo
simoid said:
Welshbeef said:
One question IF Osbourne announces that Borth Sea get tax breaks for investment does that mean Scotland get less via block grant to pay for that or is it simply considered a freebie?
It's the UK's oil...?However Id assume the SNP would then cruicify the rUK on block grant cuts nasty Westminster
Welshbeef said:
simoid said:
Welshbeef said:
One question IF Osbourne announces that Borth Sea get tax breaks for investment does that mean Scotland get less via block grant to pay for that or is it simply considered a freebie?
It's the UK's oil...?However Id assume the SNP would then cruicify the rUK on block grant cuts nasty Westminster
Welshbeef said:
Of course it is and Scotland gets its share of it via the block grant. If however they invest heavily in tax breaks for oil investment then clearly there would be a drastic cut in the block grant until that tax break ended.
However Id assume the SNP would then cruicify the rUK on block grant cuts nasty Westminster
Firstly the block grant is applicable to Scotland, Wales & NI, so quite why just Scotland would be penalised or rewarded in your scenario is bafflingHowever Id assume the SNP would then cruicify the rUK on block grant cuts nasty Westminster
Secondly as Simo points out the Oil Revenues are the UK's and are accrued by the UK Treasury, the UK treasury sets the block grant according to the Barnett Formula (see link below)
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnett_formula#How...
Oil Revenues and the amount of block grant are not irretrievably linked but obviously one influences the other
It's all part of the "pooling and sharing of resources" you know that buzz phrase Bitter Together where so fond of spouting
Quite rightly the Scottish Government and the Unionist opposition would be rightly miffed if the UK kept the Oil Revenues and made just Scotland pay for the tax break by deducting it from their block grant
McWigglebum4th said:
Since this whole debate has started
I have told people i am english
As being scottish is too embarrassing as folk think of angry little tts like you
I know Scots are known to be self loathing but you're taking it to extremes, not that I believe for a minute that your even remotely enough interesting in real life for anyone who'd want to converse with you in the first place I have told people i am english
As being scottish is too embarrassing as folk think of angry little tts like you
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