Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6

[Strocky]

McWigglebum4th said:

they won 44% of the vote in the 2011 election

you know the election where 50.1% of electorate actually voted


so roughly 22% of the electorate


Yeah

That is a vast majority of scotland

Semantics and you know it, unless you can show me any Westminster Government that was voted in with an absolute "majority" in terms of total votes cast / total electorate

[Strocky]

5pen said:

If the SNP wanted to control ALL the economic levers of the country why was their favoured plan to enter into a currency union with the rest of the UK? Even after they were advised that this was a non-starter.

Majority, noun, "The greater part or number; the number larger than half the total"

It was to allay fears to the purse clutching stebags and to force Westminster into either backing a CU or allowing an IS to start with no debt

[simoid]

Thank goodness an unpredictable reserve like oil is only a couple of % of our tax receipts, and not 10x that proportion.

[Strocky]

andymadmak said:

Apparently about one in six Scots (16.7%) who voted in 2010 got the (Conservative) Government they voted for - It rises to just under 36% if you include the Lib Dem voters.

The SNP polled 19.9%

Interestingly the Conservative vote was up by almost 1% compared to the previous election.

Scottish voters do vote tactically for two different parties depending on it being a UK or Scottish GE

[Strocky]

Risky Shift said:

Another two Labour votes here; I'll gladly swallow my feelings about how much of a shambles they currently are to try and hold back the SNP tide.

Scottish voting intentions for the May 2015 UK general election :

SNP 43.6% (+2.6)
Labour 26.0% (-1.1)
Conservatives 15.6% (-1.0)
Liberal Democrats 6.3% (-0.7)
UKIP 4.6% (+0.7)
Greens 2.3% (-0.6)

http://scotgoespop.blogspot.co.uk/

[Strocky]

Janluke said:

Normally vote tory, voted SNP once but voting labour this time purely as I think they have the best chance of beating the SNP. Its a hard choice as I believe my local area is very well served by SNP councillors/MSP, they work hard, listen to local opinion but I feel so strongly about remaining part of the Union I won't vote for any party holding separatist views

So you'd seriously rather proudly proclaim being British even if it meant you had worse local services for you and your fellow citizens?

Do you suck your thumb when you're lying under your UJ duvet?

[simoid]

Strocky said:

Risky Shift said:

Another two Labour votes here; I'll gladly swallow my feelings about how much of a shambles they currently are to try and hold back the SNP tide.

Scottish voting intentions for the May 2015 UK general election :

SNP 43.6% (+2.6)
Labour 26.0% (-1.1)
Conservatives 15.6% (-1.0)
Liberal Democrats 6.3% (-0.7)
UKIP 4.6% (+0.7)
Greens 2.3% (-0.6)

http://scotgoespop.blogspot.co.uk/

So that's probably broadly similar to the latest elections - the 2011 Holyrood?

(The SNP are actually down in support since then - 44% of votes in 2011 IIRC)

[simoid]

Strocky said:

Janluke said:

Normally vote tory, voted SNP once but voting labour this time purely as I think they have the best chance of beating the SNP. Its a hard choice as I believe my local area is very well served by SNP councillors/MSP, they work hard, listen to local opinion but I feel so strongly about remaining part of the Union I won't vote for any party holding separatist views

So you'd seriously rather proudly proclaim being British even if it meant you had worse local services for you and your fellow citizens?

Do you suck your thumb when you're lying under your UJ duvet?

I'm sure my local SNP councillors work hard and listen to local opinion.

Doesn't mean they're not utter roasters intent on splitting Scotland for personal and party political gain.

[Strocky]

simoid said:

Thank goodness an unpredictable reserve like oil is only a couple of % of our tax receipts, and not 10x that proportion.

A bit more meat for your bones

http://www.ifs.org.uk/bns/bn135.pdf

[simoid]

Strocky said:

simoid said:

Thank goodness an unpredictable reserve like oil is only a couple of % of our tax receipts, and not 10x that proportion.

A bit more meat for your bones

http://www.ifs.org.uk/bns/bn135.pdf

Read it a while ago, when it was relevant to my life and decision making. Is there a point you're trying to make?

[Strocky]

simoid said:

Read it a while ago, when it was relevant to my life and decision making. Is there a point you're trying to make?

Nope, was just adding more sustenance to your throwaway "stat"

[simoid]

Strocky said:

simoid said:

Is there a point you're trying to make?

Nope

Thought not.

[Janluke]

Strocky said:

So you'd seriously rather proudly proclaim being British even if it meant you had worse local services for you and your fellow citizens?

Do you suck your thumb when you're lying under your UJ duvet?

I think what I trying to say is I don't have a black and white view of the SNP or indeed Yes voters. I can acknowledge the SNP have done some good for Scotland but the independence issue is something I feel strongly about. I think the local services across the board would be worse if we where independent.

I realise your last point was tongue in cheek but I'm not a great fan of flags I think the only one in the house is a small one on my Triumph bike. Thumb sucking I'll admit to :-)

[McWigglebum4th]

Strocky said:

So you'd seriously rather proudly proclaim being British even if it meant you had worse local services for you and your fellow citizens?

Do you suck your thumb when you're lying under your UJ duvet?

Since this whole debate has started

I have told people i am english

As being scottish is too embarrassing as folk think of angry little tts like you

[NoNeed]

I wonder which one of the banned sepratists strocky is

[5pen]

Strocky said:

5pen said:

If the SNP wanted to control ALL the economic levers of the country why was their favoured plan to enter into a currency union with the rest of the UK? Even after they were advised that this was a non-starter.

Majority, noun, "The greater part or number; the number larger than half the total"

It was to allay fears to the purse clutching stebags and to force Westminster into either backing a CU or allowing an IS to start with no debt

That worked well then.

I thought it was because they had no credible plan for a currency of their own and wanted to retain the BoE as a lender of last resort to a foreign country?

Whatever, the point is that their plan was not in any way going to give them control of ALL economic levers as you suggested was their aim.

[///ajd]

NoNeed said:

I wonder which one of the banned sepratists strocky is

Yes, he seems to talk the same amount of nonsense (an unrelenting torrent of utter horse poo).

Just look at that complete tosh about a CU and 'forcing westminster' to leave an IS with no debt. The SNP realised there was no escape from the debt, they just said sh*t like that as they realised some (most?) of their supporters were stupid enough to believe it and spout it.

[simoid]

///ajd said:

Yes, he seems to talk the same amount of nonsense (an unrelenting torrent of utter horse poo).

Just look at that complete tosh about a CU and 'forcing westminster' to leave an IS with no debt. The SNP realised there was no escape from the debt, they just said sh*t like that as they realised some (most?) of their supporters were stupid enough to believe it and spout it.

Ya. Does them no harm, but polarizes opinion.

Quite the modus operandi.

[Welshbeef]

Giving Devo Max and the fact that Scotland will raise all of its borrowing is a very smart move --- why? Over the period of time the legacy debt will errode down/need refinancing at each point Scotland will take the chunk of that debt --- basically snookered them from ever trying to walk away with zero debt.


Also it will prove beyond doubt that they cannot run a balanced budget with oil revenue a key factor of the tax revenue.





One question IF Osbourne announces that Borth Sea get tax breaks for investment does that mean Scotland get less via block grant to pay for that or is it simply considered a freebie?

[BlackLabel]

Strocky said:

So to the Unionists on here, who are you voting for in the UK GE and then the Scottish GE and why?

Labour - just to try and keep the SNP out which should happen where I live since Labour have a 15 or 16k majority here.

I think the polls which show the Nats getting 45+ seats in May are over estimations. They will get 20 plus/minus 5 imo