Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6

[Rollin]

Shows how pointless Holyrood is.

[GetCarter]

You're not STILL talking about this? What are you lot like!

[Edinburger]

Rollin said:

Shows how pointless Holyrood is.

Why?

[Edinburger]

GetCarter said:

You're not STILL talking about this? What are you lot like!

You see how British politics has changed as a result of this referendum...

[GetCarter]

Edinburger said:

GetCarter said:

You're not STILL talking about this? What are you lot like!

You see how British politics has changed as a result of this referendum...

My point exactly!

Up here in the Highlands we are sick and tired of the 45% mob banging on about how they lost by only 10%. Get together and move on. Just as Salmond said we all should, whichever way it went. Be as good as your word people.

I'm outta' here until the next referendum thread. 2035 anyone?

[Rollin]

Edinburger said:

Rollin said:

Shows how pointless Holyrood is.

Why?

Nationalists think that Scotland has no say in UK politics. This is why they want more powers for Holyrood.
The fact that nats may hold the balance of power in the UK parliament proves otherwise.

[Edinburger]

Rollin said:

Edinburger said:

Rollin said:

Shows how pointless Holyrood is.

Why?

Nationalists think that Scotland has no say in UK politics. This is why they want more powers for Holyrood.
The fact that nats may hold the balance of power in the UK parliament proves otherwise.

Okay, I see your argument. But that doesn't make Holyrood pointless. Far from it.

[Edinburger]

GetCarter said:

Edinburger said:

GetCarter said:

You're not STILL talking about this? What are you lot like!

You see how British politics has changed as a result of this referendum...

My point exactly!

Up here in the Highlands we are sick and tired of the 45% mob banging on about how they lost by only 10%. Get together and move on. Just as Salmond said we all should, whichever way it went. Be as good as your word people.

I'm outta' here until the next referendum thread. 2035 anyone?

We all need to move on. It feels like the 45% mob is actually 5% or so of the 45% who voted Yes. The gobby ones.

[Mojocvh]

Edinburger said:

GetCarter said:

Edinburger said:

GetCarter said:

You're not STILL talking about this? What are you lot like!

You see how British politics has changed as a result of this referendum...

My point exactly!

Up here in the Highlands we are sick and tired of the 45% mob banging on about how they lost by only 10%. Get together and move on. Just as Salmond said we all should, whichever way it went. Be as good as your word people.

I'm outta' here until the next referendum thread. 2035 anyone?

We all need to move on. It feels like the 45% mob is actually 5% or so of the 45% who voted Yes. The gobby ones.

37%.

[HenryJM]

Green means in favour of independence.

[Edinburger]

HenryJM said:

Green means in favour of independence.

As it's panto season - oh no it doesn't!

And well you know it

[HarryW]

Edinburger said:

HenryJM said:

Green means in favour of independence.

As it's panto season - oh no it doesn't!

And well you know it

Oh yes it does.....

[NoNeed]

The referendums behind youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

[Edinburger]

NoNeed said:

The referendums behind youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

Lol very good!

[Edinburger]

Just to pick up on a point from ages ago: I explained why the Scottish Government decided to scrap prescription charges and that the vast majority of prescriptions in Scotland were 'free' anyway, for the known reasons.

Some of you mocked this and some didn't believe me - we'll surprise, surprise, 90% of English prescriptions aren't chargeable either!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-30622544

[Edinburger]

Surprise, surprise...as also discussed.,,

Newly-released cabinet papers from Margaret Thatcher's time in power have confirmed that then Scottish Secretary George Younger pushed for the poll tax to be introduced early in Scotland.

A memo written by Mr Letwin in 1985, four years before it came into force, states that Mr Younger, who died in 2003, was "extremely keen to use Scotland as a trail blazer for the pure residence charge".


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-pol...

Edited by Edinburger on Tuesday 30th December 01:34

[Wombat3]

Edinburger said:

Surprise, surprise...as also discussed.,,

Newly-released cabinet papers from Margaret Thatcher's time in power have confirmed that then Scottish Secretary George Younger pushed for the poll tax to be introduced early in Scotland.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-pol...

Correct because (IIRC) there was an impending rate rise due in Scotland which would in itself have been highly unpopular (though that does not mean unwarranted or unfair).

At the same time there has never been any suggestion or evidence to suggest that the roll out of the community charge in the rest of the UK was in any way dependent upon what happened in Scotland. It was always going to be introduced across the country as indeed it was. Scotland just went first. So what?

Therefore the fact that Scotland got it a year early is a complete non issue, a red herring and a MASSIVE case of playing the victim card (as usual).

Edited by Wombat3 on Tuesday 30th December 01:48

[Wombat3]

Strocky said:

Sway said:

So the proposed local allocation of a portion of tax revenue is the same as the Norwegian style oil fund that nats were harping on about creating?


You know, the one where instead of licensing private companies, they have a state oil company, and all profits go into to fund. As opposed to selling off licenses, taxing the profits, then giving a percentage to local authorities.

The fracking local tax allocation seems remarkably similar to the end result of the Barnett Formula...

I don't have an issue with raising tax as/above, but where I do have an issue is the way the revenue has been distributed

Especially when council budgets have mainly been frozen or slashed (unless you live in the SE)

Regarding wether the UK or Norwegian model has been the most effective

Well one country is scraping by paying the interest on the debt every year while wages are not keeping up in line with inflation while running an austerity plan with no sign of ending anytime soon, while another country can make every citizen a millionaire overnight and has a standard of living that puts the other country (the 4th most unequal country in Europe) to shame

Now which country sounds more appealing to you?

You are such an ill-informed fool.

Yes, Norway has an impressive looking sovereign wealth fund which has been built up over the last few decades. However, if you bothered to scratch the surface & read up on Norway's finances you would also know that at the same time Norway has also built up a National debt of almost equal size.

As to austerity, what austerity? The current UK government is spending more money than any before . The only reduction has been in the rate of increase, not in the actual expenditure figures.

"Austerity" is a figment of your & your foolish, hand wringing, whingeing, Nationalist chums imaginations. You don't know the meaning of the word & its not being delivered or implemented in any serious way in this country. Its another pathetic political football so beloved of whining Nats that bears no relation to reality whatsoever.

If you are so keen to do your bit & pay more tax then what's stopping you?

[HenryJM]

Edinburger said:

HenryJM said:

Green means in favour of independence.

As it's panto season - oh no it doesn't!

And well you know it

I know that the constituencies who voted red, something like 28 of them, all voted against independence. 4 favoured in favour.

That graph shows it, it even shows you the ones in red that were more anti it than others.

So why do you call it a 'Panto season'? Why do you think it does anything other than the reflect of the results?

[///ajd]

Edinburger said:

Just to pick up on a point from ages ago: I explained why the Scottish Government decided to scrap prescription charges and that the vast majority of prescriptions in Scotland were 'free' anyway, for the known reasons.

Some of you mocked this and some didn't believe me - we'll surprise, surprise, 90% of English prescriptions aren't chargeable either!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-30622544

Thanks burger, but that just supports the argument that has been made. I may not like the england system, but it is arguably a fairer and better way to spend limited money. Only those who can afford to pay have to in england; for the young, old and poor it is FREE in england. The money the rich pay is used to support & improve other services, like a rich tax to help the poor.

This is why the free prescriptions are a political stunt in scotland; basically free for all sounds good, but all they are doing are giving free prescriptions to the rich/millionaires, who can afford to pay and support the poorer. In many ways the england system is closer to the 'lets support the poor better' rhetoric pushed by the SNP. That is the sickening hypocrisy - they blame westminster while ACTIVELY diverting funds from the poor themselves, by choice! To add illness to injury they are helped in doing it by the Barnett formula which is NOT intended to cover such addition policy cost - the Barnett is for reasonable extra costs due to geography etc. not for political vanity. In my view the SNP are therefore misappropriating the block grant to drive a wedge between us in the UK. It is a fraud against all UK taxpayers.

The resentment this causes in the rUK is great for the SNP as one of their objectives is to foster ill feeling. It is why it is important they get pasted at the 2015 election if Scots value the union.

Edited by ///ajd on Tuesday 30th December 07:55