Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6
Discussion
toppstuff said:
In fairness, I think there are statistics to support these claims, taking the average for a cities population.
I think Glasgow is also statistically the worst in terms of public health and life expectancy as well, isn't it?
I read very recently that Nottingham (and maybe Liverpool?) have overtaken it in unemployment terms. But it's a well documented sI think Glasgow is also statistically the worst in terms of public health and life expectancy as well, isn't it?
thole, ranking high (or low) in terms of health, life expectancy, drug dependency, homicides, knife crime, etc etc.Lots of the better areas, Bearsden, Giffnock, Mearns etc aren't actually within the city boundary so are counted in their own council areas (East Ren, East Dun), leaving (the genuine, not Partick etc) west end, a few Merchant City types and half of Pollokshields to fly the flag for the 'protect what we've got' side. Given the rest of the city is a hole it's no surprise to me it voted for a fairytale future.
toppstuff said:
. . . . . . . It does not really matter how you cut it, the vote was unequivocally No. Given the oil price, I think Scotland had a fortunate break.
I don't think it was fortunate per se, I think it was down to the majority of voters making a rationale and, IMHO, sensible decision based on an objective assessment of the information available. However, that may all be for nowt if Scotland elect a majority of SNP MPs in the forthcoming GE - that will almost certainly be taken by the SNP, despite the result of the referendum, as a mandate for independence inexorably driving ever more divisivness unless and until the SNP are subsequently relieved of power.
HenryJM said:
Edinburger said:
Before I answer that please answer this:
Tell me why you think Glasgow is the 'jobless capital' and why you think Dundee is the 'worst performing city'? You're making a lot of generalisations there. Some areas of Glasgow are very wealthy for instance, in the same way some areas of London (or virtually any other city in the world) are very poor.
And what's the "political divide" you refer to?
Is Google beyond you? Just type in stuff like jobless capital Glasgow, it's not hard.Tell me why you think Glasgow is the 'jobless capital' and why you think Dundee is the 'worst performing city'? You're making a lot of generalisations there. Some areas of Glasgow are very wealthy for instance, in the same way some areas of London (or virtually any other city in the world) are very poor.
And what's the "political divide" you refer to?
Edinburger said:
Tried that Henry but I'm afraid Google suggests that Nottingham has overtaken Liverpool and Glasgow to the dubious title of unemployment capital. So here's an idea - as you're quick enough to post these flyaway remarks why don't you dig out the data to back them up?
So the hugely oppressed scotland is doing better then the money grabbing wasteful english who are spending all of scotlands oil moneytoppstuff said:
Edinburger said:
Before I answer that please answer this:
Tell me why you think Glasgow is the 'jobless capital' and why you think Dundee is the 'worst performing city'? You're making a lot of generalisations there. Some areas of Glasgow are very wealthy for instance, in the same way some areas of London (or virtually any other city in the world) are very poor.
In fairness, I think there are statistics to support these claims, taking the average for a cities population.Tell me why you think Glasgow is the 'jobless capital' and why you think Dundee is the 'worst performing city'? You're making a lot of generalisations there. Some areas of Glasgow are very wealthy for instance, in the same way some areas of London (or virtually any other city in the world) are very poor.
I think Glasgow is also statistically the worst in terms of public health and life expectancy as well, isn't it?
tholes which are inhabited by the dregs of the human race. Glasgow has lots of social issues and lots of poverty. It' equally true that parts of virtually every other city on the planet are in similar situations. But Glasgow also has the third highest GDP per capita of any UK city, after London and Edinburgh. It also has some wealthy areas, like every other city. So let's be fairer about Glasgow.It's also noted that Henry's other flyaway comment about Dundee has since been ignored by him!
After all the doom and gloom, BP has started production at Kinnoull field in the North Sea.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-o...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-o...
Edinburger said:
She's an idiot. End of.
Cutting through Katie's "look at me" post - She does have a valid point though.There are many number of things that an iScotland does not have provision for.
This is just one of them.
How many ultra highly contagious infection units does the UK need? Probably just the one or maybe two max.
With iScotland....it would quite rightly have to fund its own. And rUK fund the other.
To be balanced - There will be capabilities based purely in Scotland - that if independence was achieved - would need to be replicated in rUK.
ATEOTD - All of these things cost the taxpayer money.
Edinburger said:
After all the doom and gloom, BP has started production at Kinnoull field in the North Sea.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-o...
Well actually they decided in 2008, since then they have building it since 2010 and was expecting to go live in 2013, but delayed. 2015 should see them produce oil but whether it will make any money is a major question given that it's now around $54 as opposed to even the $90+ it was a few month ago.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-o...
Edit to add - the BP shareholding lost over 2% on it's shares today.
Edited by HenryJM on Tuesday 30th December 18:21
I should add there are all sorts of bits and pieces worth having a look at, for example:
Glasgow was one of four places voting Yes. Yet they only got a majority of 25,432 out of 365,126 votes - somewhere like Dumphries and Galloway got 33,425 against out of 106,653 voters.
Then somewhere like Dundee managed to get 13,740 majority Yes from 93,500 voting, but then East Renfrewshire (and others) on 65,977 voting got a majority against of 17,403.
It can go on, the lowest turnout, for example, were three of the lowest seven in the country - that's three of all of the four such voters.
And so on, go and investigate and learn about it if you haven't already.
Glasgow was one of four places voting Yes. Yet they only got a majority of 25,432 out of 365,126 votes - somewhere like Dumphries and Galloway got 33,425 against out of 106,653 voters.
Then somewhere like Dundee managed to get 13,740 majority Yes from 93,500 voting, but then East Renfrewshire (and others) on 65,977 voting got a majority against of 17,403.
It can go on, the lowest turnout, for example, were three of the lowest seven in the country - that's three of all of the four such voters.
And so on, go and investigate and learn about it if you haven't already.
HenryJM said:
I should add there are all sorts of bits and pieces worth having a look at, for example:
Glasgow was one of four places voting Yes. Yet they only got a majority of 25,432 out of 365,126 votes - somewhere like Dumphries and Galloway got 33,425 against out of 106,653 voters.
Then somewhere like Dundee managed to get 13,740 majority Yes from 93,500 voting, but then East Renfrewshire (and others) on 65,977 voting got a majority against of 17,403.
It can go on, the lowest turnout, for example, were three of the lowest seven in the country - that's three of all of the four such voters.
And so on, go and investigate and learn about it if you haven't already.
I made it easy for everyone. Here is a big hoofing chart. Just looking at it tells you all you need to know.Glasgow was one of four places voting Yes. Yet they only got a majority of 25,432 out of 365,126 votes - somewhere like Dumphries and Galloway got 33,425 against out of 106,653 voters.
Then somewhere like Dundee managed to get 13,740 majority Yes from 93,500 voting, but then East Renfrewshire (and others) on 65,977 voting got a majority against of 17,403.
It can go on, the lowest turnout, for example, were three of the lowest seven in the country - that's three of all of the four such voters.
And so on, go and investigate and learn about it if you haven't already.
And if you want to play with it...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/events/scotland-decides/...
or this one.
Play with it here.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive...
Edited by Troubleatmill on Tuesday 30th December 19:09
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