Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6
Discussion
Was devo max previously defined as having total control of everything excluding foreign policy and defence?
In can see real problems if the Scottish Government have full control but use the same currency as the rest of the UK, especially if Westminster and the Scottish Government have significantly different policies.
In can see real problems if the Scottish Government have full control but use the same currency as the rest of the UK, especially if Westminster and the Scottish Government have significantly different policies.
Edinburger said:
simoid said:
Edinburger said:
simoid said:
Ecosseven said:
Lots of discussion on the radio this morning about Alex Salmond stating there is massive support for Home Rule in Scotland. Taken from the BBC website.
"The former Scottish first minister argued there was "massive evidence" that Scotland wanted home rule, which he described as being the full devolution of all domestic matters and taxation, with just foreign affairs and defence reserved to Westminster"
What is this “massive evidence”? Basically Salmond appears to be saying that he wants he security of the £ and remaining in Europe but wants full control over everything except foreign policy and defence. Talk about having your cake and eating it! Did I imagine the result of the referendum? Westminster would be crazy to devolve any more powers to Scotland over and above what the Smith commission recommends.
Well that's what Salmond basically wanted from the referendum (or so the white paper claimed). He's just trying a variety of ways to skin his cat."The former Scottish first minister argued there was "massive evidence" that Scotland wanted home rule, which he described as being the full devolution of all domestic matters and taxation, with just foreign affairs and defence reserved to Westminster"
What is this “massive evidence”? Basically Salmond appears to be saying that he wants he security of the £ and remaining in Europe but wants full control over everything except foreign policy and defence. Talk about having your cake and eating it! Did I imagine the result of the referendum? Westminster would be crazy to devolve any more powers to Scotland over and above what the Smith commission recommends.
And anyway, it's all about the votes. He's got to keep his 45ers onside so he can't agree with anything a unionist does.
Like it or not, that is probably what most people in Scotland would prefer.
Not any more pal. The people [you know the one who continually shell out either directly or indirectly for the holyrood jamboree] have already had a taster of what's to come, and they now realise just how dangerous the current crop of professional politicians have become...
Mojocvh said:
Edinburger said:
simoid said:
Edinburger said:
simoid said:
Ecosseven said:
Lots of discussion on the radio this morning about Alex Salmond stating there is massive support for Home Rule in Scotland. Taken from the BBC website.
"The former Scottish first minister argued there was "massive evidence" that Scotland wanted home rule, which he described as being the full devolution of all domestic matters and taxation, with just foreign affairs and defence reserved to Westminster"
What is this “massive evidence”? Basically Salmond appears to be saying that he wants he security of the £ and remaining in Europe but wants full control over everything except foreign policy and defence. Talk about having your cake and eating it! Did I imagine the result of the referendum? Westminster would be crazy to devolve any more powers to Scotland over and above what the Smith commission recommends.
Well that's what Salmond basically wanted from the referendum (or so the white paper claimed). He's just trying a variety of ways to skin his cat."The former Scottish first minister argued there was "massive evidence" that Scotland wanted home rule, which he described as being the full devolution of all domestic matters and taxation, with just foreign affairs and defence reserved to Westminster"
What is this “massive evidence”? Basically Salmond appears to be saying that he wants he security of the £ and remaining in Europe but wants full control over everything except foreign policy and defence. Talk about having your cake and eating it! Did I imagine the result of the referendum? Westminster would be crazy to devolve any more powers to Scotland over and above what the Smith commission recommends.
And anyway, it's all about the votes. He's got to keep his 45ers onside so he can't agree with anything a unionist does.
Like it or not, that is probably what most people in Scotland would prefer.
Not any more pal. The people [you know the one who continually shell out either directly or indirectly for the holyrood jamboree] have already had a taster of what's to come, and they now realise just how dangerous the current crop of professional politicians have become...
Edinburger said:
simoid said:
Edinburger said:
simoid said:
Ecosseven said:
Lots of discussion on the radio this morning about Alex Salmond stating there is massive support for Home Rule in Scotland. Taken from the BBC website.
"The former Scottish first minister argued there was "massive evidence" that Scotland wanted home rule, which he described as being the full devolution of all domestic matters and taxation, with just foreign affairs and defence reserved to Westminster"
What is this “massive evidence”? Basically Salmond appears to be saying that he wants he security of the £ and remaining in Europe but wants full control over everything except foreign policy and defence. Talk about having your cake and eating it! Did I imagine the result of the referendum? Westminster would be crazy to devolve any more powers to Scotland over and above what the Smith commission recommends.
Well that's what Salmond basically wanted from the referendum (or so the white paper claimed). He's just trying a variety of ways to skin his cat."The former Scottish first minister argued there was "massive evidence" that Scotland wanted home rule, which he described as being the full devolution of all domestic matters and taxation, with just foreign affairs and defence reserved to Westminster"
What is this “massive evidence”? Basically Salmond appears to be saying that he wants he security of the £ and remaining in Europe but wants full control over everything except foreign policy and defence. Talk about having your cake and eating it! Did I imagine the result of the referendum? Westminster would be crazy to devolve any more powers to Scotland over and above what the Smith commission recommends.
And anyway, it's all about the votes. He's got to keep his 45ers onside so he can't agree with anything a unionist does.
Like it or not, that is probably what most people in Scotland would prefer.
What do you think Salmond wanted the outcome of the referendum to be? Independence?
simoid said:
Edinburger said:
simoid said:
Edinburger said:
simoid said:
Ecosseven said:
Lots of discussion on the radio this morning about Alex Salmond stating there is massive support for Home Rule in Scotland. Taken from the BBC website.
"The former Scottish first minister argued there was "massive evidence" that Scotland wanted home rule, which he described as being the full devolution of all domestic matters and taxation, with just foreign affairs and defence reserved to Westminster"
What is this “massive evidence”? Basically Salmond appears to be saying that he wants he security of the £ and remaining in Europe but wants full control over everything except foreign policy and defence. Talk about having your cake and eating it! Did I imagine the result of the referendum? Westminster would be crazy to devolve any more powers to Scotland over and above what the Smith commission recommends.
Well that's what Salmond basically wanted from the referendum (or so the white paper claimed). He's just trying a variety of ways to skin his cat."The former Scottish first minister argued there was "massive evidence" that Scotland wanted home rule, which he described as being the full devolution of all domestic matters and taxation, with just foreign affairs and defence reserved to Westminster"
What is this “massive evidence”? Basically Salmond appears to be saying that he wants he security of the £ and remaining in Europe but wants full control over everything except foreign policy and defence. Talk about having your cake and eating it! Did I imagine the result of the referendum? Westminster would be crazy to devolve any more powers to Scotland over and above what the Smith commission recommends.
And anyway, it's all about the votes. He's got to keep his 45ers onside so he can't agree with anything a unionist does.
Like it or not, that is probably what most people in Scotland would prefer.
What do you think Salmond wanted the outcome of the referendum to be? Independence?
NoNeed said:
He wanted to keep the pound, the royals and just about everything else that's british as well as joining the EU.
Not exactly the actions of somebody wanting to go it along was it.
Not many years ago (Jan 2009, for example) he didn't want to keep the pound at all, the euro was the route forwards for Scotland.Not exactly the actions of somebody wanting to go it along was it.
Edinburger said:
simoid said:
Ecosseven said:
Lots of discussion on the radio this morning about Alex Salmond stating there is massive support for Home Rule in Scotland. Taken from the BBC website.
"The former Scottish first minister argued there was "massive evidence" that Scotland wanted home rule, which he described as being the full devolution of all domestic matters and taxation, with just foreign affairs and defence reserved to Westminster"
What is this “massive evidence”? Basically Salmond appears to be saying that he wants he security of the £ and remaining in Europe but wants full control over everything except foreign policy and defence. Talk about having your cake and eating it! Did I imagine the result of the referendum? Westminster would be crazy to devolve any more powers to Scotland over and above what the Smith commission recommends.
Well that's what Salmond basically wanted from the referendum (or so the white paper claimed). He's just trying a variety of ways to skin his cat."The former Scottish first minister argued there was "massive evidence" that Scotland wanted home rule, which he described as being the full devolution of all domestic matters and taxation, with just foreign affairs and defence reserved to Westminster"
What is this “massive evidence”? Basically Salmond appears to be saying that he wants he security of the £ and remaining in Europe but wants full control over everything except foreign policy and defence. Talk about having your cake and eating it! Did I imagine the result of the referendum? Westminster would be crazy to devolve any more powers to Scotland over and above what the Smith commission recommends.
And anyway, it's all about the votes. He's got to keep his 45ers onside so he can't agree with anything a unionist does.
Like it or not, that is probably what most people in Scotland would prefer.
Mojocvh said:
Edinburger said:
simoid said:
Ecosseven said:
Lots of discussion on the radio this morning about Alex Salmond stating there is massive support for Home Rule in Scotland. Taken from the BBC website.
"The former Scottish first minister argued there was "massive evidence" that Scotland wanted home rule, which he described as being the full devolution of all domestic matters and taxation, with just foreign affairs and defence reserved to Westminster"
What is this “massive evidence”? Basically Salmond appears to be saying that he wants he security of the £ and remaining in Europe but wants full control over everything except foreign policy and defence. Talk about having your cake and eating it! Did I imagine the result of the referendum? Westminster would be crazy to devolve any more powers to Scotland over and above what the Smith commission recommends.
Well that's what Salmond basically wanted from the referendum (or so the white paper claimed). He's just trying a variety of ways to skin his cat."The former Scottish first minister argued there was "massive evidence" that Scotland wanted home rule, which he described as being the full devolution of all domestic matters and taxation, with just foreign affairs and defence reserved to Westminster"
What is this “massive evidence”? Basically Salmond appears to be saying that he wants he security of the £ and remaining in Europe but wants full control over everything except foreign policy and defence. Talk about having your cake and eating it! Did I imagine the result of the referendum? Westminster would be crazy to devolve any more powers to Scotland over and above what the Smith commission recommends.
And anyway, it's all about the votes. He's got to keep his 45ers onside so he can't agree with anything a unionist does.
Like it or not, that is probably what most people in Scotland would prefer.
(what they don't realise is that a hell of a lot of people south of the border wish it had f
king happened now too!)Wombat3 said:
Mojocvh said:
Edinburger said:
simoid said:
Ecosseven said:
Lots of discussion on the radio this morning about Alex Salmond stating there is massive support for Home Rule in Scotland. Taken from the BBC website.
"The former Scottish first minister argued there was "massive evidence" that Scotland wanted home rule, which he described as being the full devolution of all domestic matters and taxation, with just foreign affairs and defence reserved to Westminster"
What is this “massive evidence”? Basically Salmond appears to be saying that he wants he security of the £ and remaining in Europe but wants full control over everything except foreign policy and defence. Talk about having your cake and eating it! Did I imagine the result of the referendum? Westminster would be crazy to devolve any more powers to Scotland over and above what the Smith commission recommends.
Well that's what Salmond basically wanted from the referendum (or so the white paper claimed). He's just trying a variety of ways to skin his cat."The former Scottish first minister argued there was "massive evidence" that Scotland wanted home rule, which he described as being the full devolution of all domestic matters and taxation, with just foreign affairs and defence reserved to Westminster"
What is this “massive evidence”? Basically Salmond appears to be saying that he wants he security of the £ and remaining in Europe but wants full control over everything except foreign policy and defence. Talk about having your cake and eating it! Did I imagine the result of the referendum? Westminster would be crazy to devolve any more powers to Scotland over and above what the Smith commission recommends.
And anyway, it's all about the votes. He's got to keep his 45ers onside so he can't agree with anything a unionist does.
Like it or not, that is probably what most people in Scotland would prefer.
(what they don't realise is that a hell of a lot of people south of the border wish it had f
king happened now too!)If that's not the case then I apologise for my ignorance but the bottom line is that I'm quite happy with the way things are and I want to keep them that way so I would've voted against 'devo' max' too.
Big Rod said:
Wombat3 said:
Mojocvh said:
Edinburger said:
simoid said:
Ecosseven said:
Lots of discussion on the radio this morning about Alex Salmond stating there is massive support for Home Rule in Scotland. Taken from the BBC website.
"The former Scottish first minister argued there was "massive evidence" that Scotland wanted home rule, which he described as being the full devolution of all domestic matters and taxation, with just foreign affairs and defence reserved to Westminster"
What is this “massive evidence”? Basically Salmond appears to be saying that he wants he security of the £ and remaining in Europe but wants full control over everything except foreign policy and defence. Talk about having your cake and eating it! Did I imagine the result of the referendum? Westminster would be crazy to devolve any more powers to Scotland over and above what the Smith commission recommends.
Well that's what Salmond basically wanted from the referendum (or so the white paper claimed). He's just trying a variety of ways to skin his cat."The former Scottish first minister argued there was "massive evidence" that Scotland wanted home rule, which he described as being the full devolution of all domestic matters and taxation, with just foreign affairs and defence reserved to Westminster"
What is this “massive evidence”? Basically Salmond appears to be saying that he wants he security of the £ and remaining in Europe but wants full control over everything except foreign policy and defence. Talk about having your cake and eating it! Did I imagine the result of the referendum? Westminster would be crazy to devolve any more powers to Scotland over and above what the Smith commission recommends.
And anyway, it's all about the votes. He's got to keep his 45ers onside so he can't agree with anything a unionist does.
Like it or not, that is probably what most people in Scotland would prefer.
(what they don't realise is that a hell of a lot of people south of the border wish it had f
king happened now too!)If that's not the case then I apologise for my ignorance but the bottom line is that I'm quite happy with the way things are and I want to keep them that way so I would've voted against 'devo' max' too.
t would think you could have three choices on a referendum.Alex Salmond though there should be three choices (unsurprisingly)
HenryJM said:
NoNeed said:
He wanted to keep the pound, the royals and just about everything else that's british as well as joining the EU.
Not exactly the actions of somebody wanting to go it along was it.
Not many years ago (Jan 2009, for example) he didn't want to keep the pound at all, the euro was the route forwards for Scotland.Not exactly the actions of somebody wanting to go it along was it.
Wombat3 said:
You be correct. Only a complete tt would think you could have three choices on a referendum.
Alex Salmond though there should be three choices (unsurprisingly)
Shirley he didn't want 3 choices if independence was likely to lose... unless he didn't want independence.t would think you could have three choices on a referendum.Alex Salmond though there should be three choices (unsurprisingly)
Aherm, Burger, this is what I've been getting at.
Either you're wrong as he didn't want independence, or you're wrong as he didn't want devo max on the ballot paper.
Big Rod said:
I was of the understanding that, (with one exception), a referendum should only have two choices, yes or no.
It's could just as easily been a list of options to order by preference. 1, 2, 3...Big Rod said:
If that's not the case then I apologise for my ignorance but the bottom line is that I'm quite happy with the way things are and I want to keep them that way so I would've voted against 'devo' max' too.
I'm not sure if I'd have put DevoMax as a second choice or left it blank along with the Status Quo option. Interesting times...
fluffnik said:
Big Rod said:
I was of the understanding that, (with one exception), a referendum should only have two choices, yes or no.
It's could just as easily been a list of options to order by preference. 1, 2, 3...Big Rod said:
If that's not the case then I apologise for my ignorance but the bottom line is that I'm quite happy with the way things are and I want to keep them that way so I would've voted against 'devo' max' too.
I'm not sure if I'd have put DevoMax as a second choice or left it blank along with the Status Quo option. Interesting times...
And no, some kind of stupid AV system doesn't fit the bill either.
fluffnik said:
Big Rod said:
I was of the understanding that, (with one exception), a referendum should only have two choices, yes or no.
It's could just as easily been a list of options to order by preference. 1, 2, 3...Big Rod said:
If that's not the case then I apologise for my ignorance but the bottom line is that I'm quite happy with the way things are and I want to keep them that way so I would've voted against 'devo' max' too.
I'm not sure if I'd have put DevoMax as a second choice or left it blank along with the Status Quo option. Interesting times...
HenryJM said:
There were, history now.
Well, yes but no. The SNP are continuing to attack businesses who supported a no vote:http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/taxi-bo...
Record said:
David Alexander – a former leader of Falkirk Council – wrote in a Facebook message that Grange Radio Cabs were “owned by a unionist who had all his cars running for Better Together”.
He added that SNP supporters “may want to remember this if they are looking for a cab”.
He added that SNP supporters “may want to remember this if they are looking for a cab”.
simoid said:
HenryJM said:
There were, history now.
Well, yes but no. The SNP are continuing to attack businesses who supported a no vote:http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/taxi-bo...
Record said:
David Alexander – a former leader of Falkirk Council – wrote in a Facebook message that Grange Radio Cabs were “owned by a unionist who had all his cars running for Better Together”.
He added that SNP supporters “may want to remember this if they are looking for a cab”.
He added that SNP supporters “may want to remember this if they are looking for a cab”.
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