Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6

[Strocky]

Mojocvh said:

Strocky said:

AstonZagato said:

7.1 pct of the electorate had died since the previous electoral roll was last taken and they were all nationalists? That's unlucky.

Unlucky, no
Calculated, yes

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/340636/Scots-rebe...

And your completely insignificant point is---pencil dick?

When did we start playing Call My Bluff on the thread?

[Strocky]

Rollin said:

Same old story of nationalists losing and then screaming 'It's not fair!'

Maths not a strong point with Unionists it would seem

[Troubleatmill]

Strocky said:

Maths not a strong point with Unionists it would seem

The Scottish Independence referendum in 2014
YES - 44.7%
NO - 55.3%

One number is bigger than the other.
It is over and done with.

bhing about it won't change anything.

[5STM5]

Big Rod said:

+1.
Pretty much the minute another referendum is announced our house is going up for sale.

I have tried to beat the rush, however I live in Helensburgh and the value of my house has dropped already because of the ongoing threat of both a 2nd Referendum and closure / downsizing of Faslane. I've had 3 Estate Agents round so far, and have another lined up for next week. But all in all it looks like I may get 15% less for my house than I paid for it 4 years ago, once I add in stamp duty I paid, Estate Agent and lawyer fees for the sale, I'll be significantly out of pocket. Average house prices have increased across Scotland 5.16% in that same period.
Very disappointed with the way Scotland has been progressive under the SNP. If I am affected personally like this, I wonder how business is coping with it.

[5STM5]

Troubleatmill said:

The Scottish Independence referendum in 2014
YES - 44.7%
NO - 55.3%

One number is bigger than the other.
It is over and done with.

bhing about it won't change anything.

Unfortunately you can't argue with stupidity.

[Strocky]

Troubleatmill said:

Strocky said:

Maths not a strong point with Unionists it would seem

The Scottish Independence referendum in 2014
YES - 44.7%
NO - 55.3%

One number is bigger than the other.
It is over and done with.

bhing about it won't change anything.

We're talking about 1979 mate

[Strocky]

5STM5 said:

Troubleatmill said:

The Scottish Independence referendum in 2014
YES - 44.7%
NO - 55.3%

One number is bigger than the other.
It is over and done with.

bhing about it won't change anything.

Unfortunately you can't argue with stupidity.

Yep not my fault he can't follow quotes regarding the 1979 devolution vote

[Strocky]

5STM5 said:

Big Rod said:

+1.
Pretty much the minute another referendum is announced our house is going up for sale.

I have tried to beat the rush, however I live in Helensburgh and the value of my house has dropped already because of the ongoing threat of both a 2nd Referendum and closure / downsizing of Faslane. I've had 3 Estate Agents round so far, and have another lined up for next week. But all in all it looks like I may get 15% less for my house than I paid for it 4 years ago, once I add in stamp duty I paid, Estate Agent and lawyer fees for the sale, I'll be significantly out of pocket. Average house prices have increased across Scotland 5.16% in that same period.
Very disappointed with the way Scotland has been progressive under the SNP. If I am affected personally like this, I wonder how business is coping with it.

That's a pisser but there's no golden rule that the value of anybody's house MUST increase, welcome to the market

For curiosity sake, what current SG policies are you unhappy with and what policies would you like to see implemented at Holyrood?

[Mojocvh]

Strocky said:

5STM5 said:

Big Rod said:

+1.
Pretty much the minute another referendum is announced our house is going up for sale.

I have tried to beat the rush, however I live in Helensburgh and the value of my house has dropped already because of the ongoing threat of both a 2nd Referendum and closure / downsizing of Faslane. I've had 3 Estate Agents round so far, and have another lined up for next week. But all in all it looks like I may get 15% less for my house than I paid for it 4 years ago, once I add in stamp duty I paid, Estate Agent and lawyer fees for the sale, I'll be significantly out of pocket. Average house prices have increased across Scotland 5.16% in that same period.
Very disappointed with the way Scotland has been progressive under the SNP. If I am affected personally like this, I wonder how business is coping with it.

That's a pisser but there's no golden rule that the value of anybody's house MUST increase, welcome to the market

For curiosity sake, what current SG policies are you unhappy with and what policies would you like to see implemented at Holyrood?

Dissolution period.

[Troubleatmill]

Strocky said:

5STM5 said:

Troubleatmill said:

The Scottish Independence referendum in 2014
YES - 44.7%
NO - 55.3%

One number is bigger than the other.
It is over and done with.

bhing about it won't change anything.

Unfortunately you can't argue with stupidity.

Yep not my fault he can't follow quotes regarding the 1979 devolution vote

I can. And I deliberately chose 2014. After all - it is my own post

I'm just trying to help you move on from the denial phase that the referendum was held and you lost.

Simple questions for you.

1/ Do you accept you lost?
2/ Do you think posting on here is going to change anything?

Edited by Troubleatmill on Friday 20th February 23:14

[Big Rod]

marshalla said:

Big Rod said:

+1.

Pretty much the minute another referendum is announced our house is going up for sale.

You'll get more if you raffle it in those circumstances.

I know, but I like living here so I'll hang on for as long as I can.

I import plenty of money so I can afford to take a bit of a hit and pay lots of tax elsewhere.

[5STM5]

Strocky said:

That's a pisser but there's no golden rule that the value of anybody's house MUST increase, welcome to the market

For curiosity sake, what current SG policies are you unhappy with and what policies would you like to see implemented at Holyrood?

The SNP have created a pocket of Scotland that lives with uncertainty. Businesses and property owners here are worried about what the future holds. Faslane and Coulport employ 6000 directly and an estimated 3000 indirectly. It looks like they don't give a fk about them.
Honour the statement - the referendum was once in a lifetime.

[Big Rod]

5STM5 said:

I have tried to beat the rush, however I live in Helensburgh and the value of my house has dropped already because of the ongoing threat of both a 2nd Referendum and closure / downsizing of Faslane. I've had 3 Estate Agents round so far, and have another lined up for next week. But all in all it looks like I may get 15% less for my house than I paid for it 4 years ago, once I add in stamp duty I paid, Estate Agent and lawyer fees for the sale, I'll be significantly out of pocket. Average house prices have increased across Scotland 5.16% in that same period.
Very disappointed with the way Scotland has been progressive under the SNP. If I am affected personally like this, I wonder how business is coping with it.

Bummer!

You could always keep it on and rent it out to the Scottish Gubbermint as social housing unless they place a land grab and take it off you anyway for being rich and able to support yourself.

[Rollin]

Strocky said:

Rollin said:

Same old story of nationalists losing and then screaming 'It's not fair!'

Maths not a strong point with Unionists it would seem

So you got a Scottish assembly in '79 then?

You'd borrow money for an oil fund and you say maths isn't my strong point? Classic

[Walford]

5STM5 said:

Troubleatmill said:

The Scottish Independence referendum in 2014
YES - 44.7%
NO - 55.3%

One number is bigger than the other.
It is over and done with.

bhing about it won't change anything.

Unfortunately you can't argue with stupidity.

and that was at 100 dollar oil

now nearer 30%

[xjsdriver]

5STM5 said:

The SNP have created a pocket of Scotland that lives with uncertainty. Businesses and property owners here are worried about what the future holds. Faslane and Coulport employ 6000 directly and an estimated 3000 indirectly. It looks like they don't give a fk about them.
Honour the statement - the referendum was once in a lifetime.

I think you'll find Alex Salmond didn't say "once in a lifetime", but said "once in a generation" - his. He never said a thing about anybody else's generation taking on the baton should they so wish.

[xjsdriver]

Walford said:

and that was at 100 dollar oil

now nearer 30%

Actually it's between £55 and £60 dollars a barrel and rising daily - do keep up old chap!!!

[spitsfire]

xjsdriver said:

I think you'll find Alex Salmond didn't say "once in a lifetime", but said "once in a generation" - his. He never said a thing about anybody else's generation taking on the baton should they so wish.

It was only a few pages ago, but here it is again for your convenience:

spitsfire said:

Why is this thread still running?

I'd understood this was to be a question asked 'once in a generation, perhaps even a once in a lifetime'?

Are the legion of posters from McAngry & Co. suffering from collective amnesia, or were they all on holiday last September?

[///ajd]

Sway said:

xjsdriver said:

Sway said:

I never said they had - I merely posited that in a parallel universe where everything was the same except Scotland was independent, in 2010 Labour would have formed the Scottish Government. Had they done so, the top boys would have been the same as they were at the time - except they would have been PM/Chancellor of Scotland instead of the UK.

In that scenario, the people who made the decisions they did would have made the same decisions, leading to RBS's collapse. Where Scotland would have been fked, and unable to come close to protecting their economy, as the company they needed to support was bigger than their entire economy...

well you go deposit yourself in your parallel universe then......meanwhile here in the real world, we'll carry on business as usual.

Do try not to be quite such a tt.

The conversation has gone thus:

xjsdriver said:

Now you're stretching from the sublime to the ridiculous. Just how much has rUK overspent by over the same period? Shall we revisit 2007 when we last had a surplus in the budget and a somewhat stronger hold on banking regulations? Incompetence from Westminster allowing the banks to police themselves effectively got us into the mess we're in today.
I'd say that we'd have been in a much stronger position today if those regulations hadn't been relaxed like they were. Remember control of Scotland's financial regulations comes from Westminster, not Holyrood - we are made to live within the means provided (which we've done consistently year on year). It can be argued that there wouldn't have been the RBS crash with tighter regulations. As you were.....

Notice how you blame Westminster for relaxing the banking regs in 2000, and imply very strongly that if Scotland had been indy back then that mistake wouldn't have happened and RBS would have been fine.

You were then asked what regs were relaxed, to which this happened:

xjsdriver said:

Since you keep asking for specifics, the regulations were relaxed under the Financial Services and Markets Act, 2000.

Sway said:

xjsdriver said:

McWigglebum4th said:

And the nationality of the chancellor in 2000 was?

Totally irrelevant....

McWigglebum4th said:

And was he a tory party member?

Again more irrelevance from Mr Irrelevant......

Why irrelevant? A Scottish chancellor, representing a Scottish constituency.

So it's hardly a leap of faith to suggest that if Scotland had been independent in 2010, then Brown and Darling would have been chancellor of Scotland, and made the same choices.

Now tell me, why is that irrelevant, and how much harder would it have been for Scotland to deal with than it was for the whole UK?

I admit the mistake in stating 2010 instead of 2000, however the point stands - had it been an indy Scotland, then your assertion that RBS would have been fine is clearly false - the instigators of the relaxing of banking regs that you quote as being the cause of the crash wouldn't have done so in rUK (had it existed), as they would have been in charge of iScot instead.

So that's why your 'Real World' and mine are very fking different, as my parallel universe shows that your arguments are weak, inconsistent with established facts, don't acknowledge significant influencing factors, and are generally the ranting of a face painted loon with a greater intellectual deficiency than the hole in the White (bog) Paper author's ability to do maths...

Edited by Sway on Thursday 19th February 19:42

This reads a bit like a systematic mathematical proof of why your typical Nat is fundamentally deluded and unable to deploy any kind of cogent argument.

[McWigglebum4th]

Strocky said:

Only loyalists fkwits and the mentally challenged could get wound up by a piece of fabric, which group are you in Wiggles?

You tell me