Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6
Discussion
kwits and the mentally challenged could get wound up by a piece of fabric, which group are you in Wiggles?
Big Rod said:
Alpacaman said:
The worst thing is it's all kicking off around here again. Stickers have started going up on signs with "YES version 2.0" on them. I honestly don't think I or lots of other people could stand another two years of this crap, I would rather leave this country I love than see it destroyed by a bunch of nationalist idiots.
+1.Pretty much the minute another referendum is announced our house is going up for sale.
I want to leave now
The wife wants to stay
And the reason i want to leave is the utter scum like viperdriver who refuse to even vaguely engage with reality
C
Calculated, yes
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/340636/Scots-rebe...
In the wake of the referendum the disappointed supporters of the bill conducted a protest campaign under the slogan "Scotland said 'yes'", officially launched in a Glasgow hotel on 7 March 1979.[3] In particular, the Scottish National Party (SNP) carried out a survey of the electoral register in the Edinburgh Central constituency. This appeared to show that the register was so out of date that even in an area where major support for a "yes" vote might be expected, achievement of 40% of the electorate was virtually unattainable. This was because the majority of electors lived in older tenements or newer Council blocks of flats where specific flat numbers were not specified. The work of electoral registration staff to obtain an accurate current register was almost impossible.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_devolution...
Oh, so the very independent and completely disinterested Scottish National Party cried foul. That must make it true. I guess you would believe their are fairies at the bottom of your garden too (placed there by Westminster to prevent Scottish Nationalism) if the SNP told you that was the case.
They are saying that 60pct of the electoral roll is out of date, because otherwise you can still get to 40pct if your argument is compelling.
All you have done is produce proof that Nationalists are perennial bad losers. Needed to get 40pct of Electorate in 1979. Got 32pct. Still complaining 36 years later. Needed to get 50pct of the vote in 2014, got 45pct. Still complaining.
Here's a suggestion. Live by the settled will of your fellow Scots.
If you find that democratic concept too difficult to grasp or accept, then here's another suggestion. Come up with a plan for independence that is vaguely credible and not the obvious tissue of lies that the last White Paper outlined. Then you might actually managed to persuade your fellow Scots. You lost it because the plan was obviously idiotic. What worries me is that up to 45pct of Scots were still stupid enough to believe it but that is another matter.
Strocky said:
AstonZagato said:
7.1 pct of the electorate had died since the previous electoral roll was last taken and they were all nationalists? That's unlucky.
Unlucky, noCalculated, yes
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/340636/Scots-rebe...
In the wake of the referendum the disappointed supporters of the bill conducted a protest campaign under the slogan "Scotland said 'yes'", officially launched in a Glasgow hotel on 7 March 1979.[3] In particular, the Scottish National Party (SNP) carried out a survey of the electoral register in the Edinburgh Central constituency. This appeared to show that the register was so out of date that even in an area where major support for a "yes" vote might be expected, achievement of 40% of the electorate was virtually unattainable. This was because the majority of electors lived in older tenements or newer Council blocks of flats where specific flat numbers were not specified. The work of electoral registration staff to obtain an accurate current register was almost impossible.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_devolution...
Edited by Strocky on Friday 20th February 22:45
They are saying that 60pct of the electoral roll is out of date, because otherwise you can still get to 40pct if your argument is compelling.
All you have done is produce proof that Nationalists are perennial bad losers. Needed to get 40pct of Electorate in 1979. Got 32pct. Still complaining 36 years later. Needed to get 50pct of the vote in 2014, got 45pct. Still complaining.
Here's a suggestion. Live by the settled will of your fellow Scots.
If you find that democratic concept too difficult to grasp or accept, then here's another suggestion. Come up with a plan for independence that is vaguely credible and not the obvious tissue of lies that the last White Paper outlined. Then you might actually managed to persuade your fellow Scots. You lost it because the plan was obviously idiotic. What worries me is that up to 45pct of Scots were still stupid enough to believe it but that is another matter.
Edited by AstonZagato on Saturday 21st February 09:42
What lost independence was, at least in part, the fact that there was no plan. Anyone looking into it could see that the SNP had no idea what they were going to do if they won it.
We had issues like currency - they had no credible plan of a way forwards.
They had no idea of what to do about membership of the EU, other than to stay that Scotland would remain as a member even when it was pretty obvious it wouldn't.
Those two were enough to show anyone with intelligence that, at the very least, it hadn't been thought through and it doesn't even begin to go into all the other issues, all of which were supposed to be sorted in something like 18 months.
It was crazy and, if anything, a shame on Scotland that there were enough people voting for it as did.
We had issues like currency - they had no credible plan of a way forwards.
They had no idea of what to do about membership of the EU, other than to stay that Scotland would remain as a member even when it was pretty obvious it wouldn't.
Those two were enough to show anyone with intelligence that, at the very least, it hadn't been thought through and it doesn't even begin to go into all the other issues, all of which were supposed to be sorted in something like 18 months.
It was crazy and, if anything, a shame on Scotland that there were enough people voting for it as did.
xjsdriver said:
Walford said:
and that was at 100 dollar oil
now nearer 30%
Actually it's between £55 and £60 dollars a barrel and rising daily - do keep up old chap!!!now nearer 30%
McWigglebum4th said:
Big Rod said:
Alpacaman said:
The worst thing is it's all kicking off around here again. Stickers have started going up on signs with "YES version 2.0" on them. I honestly don't think I or lots of other people could stand another two years of this crap, I would rather leave this country I love than see it destroyed by a bunch of nationalist idiots.
+1.Pretty much the minute another referendum is announced our house is going up for sale.
I want to leave now
The wife wants to stay
And the reason i want to leave is the utter scum like viperdriver who refuse to even vaguely engage with reality
HenryJM said:
xjsdriver said:
Walford said:
and that was at 100 dollar oil
now nearer 30%
Actually it's between £55 and £60 dollars a barrel and rising daily - do keep up old chap!!!now nearer 30%
Thanks for backing me there Henry with nice helpful graph.....those lines of resistance are showing a price break out (a bit of to-ing and fro-ing, aside - which is normal).
Yes i was quoting the price we get were i live, in a small country totaly dependent on gas and Oil, T&T
the government announce 10% budget cuts for all miniseries and 12 month postponement of all new infrastructure projects including 1 i was working on
maybe bloomberg are wrong, and it wont stay low for 12 months, but that still is a long time for any government, we were very dependent on the American market which has all but gone in 3 short years,
Be careful what you wish for
,
the government announce 10% budget cuts for all miniseries and 12 month postponement of all new infrastructure projects including 1 i was working on
maybe bloomberg are wrong, and it wont stay low for 12 months, but that still is a long time for any government, we were very dependent on the American market which has all but gone in 3 short years,
Be careful what you wish for
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Edited by Walford on Saturday 21st February 16:11
xjsdriver said:
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Thanks for backing me there Henry with nice helpful graph.....those lines of resistance are showing a price break out (a bit of to-ing and fro-ing, aside - which is normal).
I wasn't backing up anyone. Merely pointing out what the Brent oil prices were over the past 6 months, down from around $100 to $60 in that time. A major disaster to the Scottish oil industry whilst being buoyant to non oil sectors.Thanks for backing me there Henry with nice helpful graph.....those lines of resistance are showing a price break out (a bit of to-ing and fro-ing, aside - which is normal).
Your comment on prices 'raising daily' was incorrect though, the price of Brent yesterday was down 1.28%.
And tonight on Rose Tinted Spectacles news.
Total are delighted.
https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/business/4898...
Shell happy to invest more
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/en...
ConocoPhilips are ecstatic
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/8b5e9278-a7b9-11e4-be63-...
BP are super optimistic
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/bp...
etc etc
As much as Darling was derided by Salmond on "The curse of Scotland having oil."
Darling was correct - Oil needs to be treated as a bonus - not a cornerstone of your economic policies.
Total are delighted.
https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/business/4898...
Shell happy to invest more
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/en...
ConocoPhilips are ecstatic
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/8b5e9278-a7b9-11e4-be63-...
BP are super optimistic
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/bp...
etc etc
As much as Darling was derided by Salmond on "The curse of Scotland having oil."
Darling was correct - Oil needs to be treated as a bonus - not a cornerstone of your economic policies.
xjsdriver said:
I think you'll find Alex Salmond didn't say "once in a lifetime", but said "once in a generation" - his. He never said a thing about anybody else's generation taking on the baton should they so wish.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/alex-salmond-asks-scotland-to-grasp-once-in-a-lifetime-opportunity-1410693956Looks to me like he did say once in a lifetime. Yes Scotland literature also often included "once in a lifetime".
Straight from the pricks mouth http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-in...
Of course there is enough caveats in there ("in my opinion etc) to keep the yes brigade semi hard.
Of course there is enough caveats in there ("in my opinion etc) to keep the yes brigade semi hard.
barryrs said:
Straight from the pricks mouth http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-in...
Of course there is enough caveats in there ("in my opinion etc) to keep the yes brigade semi hard.
What a twunt.Of course there is enough caveats in there ("in my opinion etc) to keep the yes brigade semi hard.
Is there a 'Team Scotland' fully backing the No decision to drive Scotland forward as a pillar of the UK?
Why not? It is what the people democratically voted for!
///ajd said:
barryrs said:
Straight from the pricks mouth http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-in...
Of course there is enough caveats in there ("in my opinion etc) to keep the yes brigade semi hard.
What a twunt.Of course there is enough caveats in there ("in my opinion etc) to keep the yes brigade semi hard.
Is there a 'Team Scotland' fully backing the No decision to drive Scotland forward as a pillar of the UK?
Why not? It is what the people democratically voted for!
It would be nice to see Salmond to eat his own dog food- and support the United Kingdom.
xjsdriver said:
HenryJM said:
xjsdriver said:
Walford said:
and that was at 100 dollar oil
now nearer 30%
Actually it's between £55 and £60 dollars a barrel and rising daily - do keep up old chap!!!now nearer 30%
Thanks for backing me there Henry with nice helpful graph.....those lines of resistance are showing a price break out (a bit of to-ing and fro-ing, aside - which is normal).
But you fox has been shot:
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/azeem-ibrahim/an-i...
Academics saying this oil price shock would have put an independent Scotland in a position where it would need to go cap in hand to the IMF - this is not something electorates get behind.
Particularly as the SNP got the oil price so wrong
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/en...
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