Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6

[barryrs]

Don't suppose any of our independence supporters can confirm if the SNP are working on The White Paper 2 and if it answers some of the big question like currency and EU membership?

White Paper 2 - Independance at any cost. Coming to a country near you in 2017.

[simoid]

arp1 said:

Well said. A vote for snp is a vote for Scotland and for Scotland's best interests.

Troll.

[simoid]

xjsdriver said:

Not only have the 45 stuck together - we've attracted some that voted No too. It's not surprising how toxic the thought of voting Labour has become. After the complete sham aka the vow has spectacularly failed to materialise, most people has quite correctly deduced that Westminster cares not one fk for Scotland and they will be thoroughly punished in the polls for their duplicitous ways.
The question that remains, is whether or not the Tories will even retain the single solitary seat North of the Border....
As for the Lib/Dems, they really did st the nest when they jumped into bed with the Tories, so no surprises there if things don't go rosily for them in May either.

What ARE you talking about? It's materialising exactly as "vowed".

[technodup]

xjsdriver said:

Not only have the 45 stuck together - we've attracted some that voted No too. It's not surprising how toxic the thought of voting Labour has become.

I spoke with an uberNat client today (SNP on his private reg) who was/is very active in the movement/campaign and he reckons a load of folk will go back to Labour at the GE, leaving the SNP with 10-15 seats or so. Not the 40odd some predict. Which would seem about right to me, and that level isn't going to trigger any new referendum ideas so soon after a resounding no vote.

If that happens it's on the back burner for a while.

[barryrs]

I'd read that predictions were showing the SNP gaining 30% of available seats so somewhat as above.

[blinkythefish]

arp1 said:

Well said. A vote for snp is a vote for Scotland and for Scotland's best interests.

Just when I thought this thread had lost its ability to be funny........

[McWigglebum4th]

arp1 said:

Well said. A vote for snp is a vote for Scotland and for Scotland's best interests.

You are so right those tory SCUM will never do anything to help us


look at this they tory s have increased the fuel duty by 5 pence in areas that voted for freedom

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-is...

[Welshbeef]

xjsdriver said:

Not only have the 45 stuck together - we've attracted some that voted No too. It's not surprising how toxic the thought of voting Labour has become. After the complete sham aka the vow has spectacularly failed to materialise, most people has quite correctly deduced that Westminster cares not one fk for Scotland and they will be thoroughly punished in the polls for their duplicitous ways.
The question that remains, is whether or not the Tories will even retain the single solitary seat North of the Border....
As for the Lib/Dems, they really did st the nest when they jumped into bed with the Tories, so no surprises there if things don't go rosily for them in May either.

Um? Need to correct you here the Vow has been met in every way as stated at the time.

You are a little out of touch are you not and sadly its likea labour voter don't let the truth get in the way of a good lie.


What you should have said is the SNP have broken the vow they made in that they would accept the settled will of the people yet the very next day Salmond was blustering the vow is rubbish and they have not delivered on the vow... Yet output of the vow was Burns night (which happened and all agreed - next step is to pass through law job done all as stated).


Scum SNP telling huge lies an then oddly the Yes voter still pleased with this.... That said I guess its to be expected given the SNPs lies during the referendum campaign.

[Edinburger]

simoid said:

arp1 said:

Well said. A vote for snp is a vote for Scotland and for Scotland's best interests.

Troll.

Perhaps you're being facetious, simoid, but can you please explain how the above is trolling? Or how it's trolling any more than this is:

McWigglebum4th said:

You are so right those tory SCUM will never do anything to help us


look at this they tory s have increased the fuel duty by 5 pence in areas that voted for freedom

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-is...

[McWigglebum4th]

[///ajd]

Edinburger said:

Seems pointless to be honest, but the relative worth of £400,000 from 1707 is:

£55,200,000.00 using the retail price index
£58,800,000.00 using the GDP deflator
£747,000,000.00 using the average earnings
£1,030,000,000.00 using the per capita GDP
£6,800,000,000.00 using the share of GDP

History didn't go from Darien > oil > today, you know.

So what you are saying is that the Darien debt in todays terms would be only £55M-£7Bn?

The Scottish deficit in one year would be upto £10Bn going by some estimates.

Are you warning therefore a Darien type bail out of an iScot would be inevitable within 1-2 years?

It is good that you bring these serious risks to the attention of the Nats.

[Janluke]

Election's going to be interesting for sure, be nice to see a good turn out. It will be interesting to see if one side is more engaged than the other, whats clear is this isnt over yet so that says to me more people on both sides voting

[xjsdriver]

McWigglebum4th said:

Look it's Wibbles, the irrelevant squirrel......nice selfie mate......

[xjsdriver]

Janluke said:

Election's going to be interesting for sure, be nice to see a good turn out. It will be interesting to see if one side is more engaged than the other, whats clear is this isnt over yet so that says to me more people on both sides voting

I think you'll find that there will be more than two sides contesting the election.... but you are right - it will be interesting.

[simoid]

Edinburger said:

simoid said:

arp1 said:

Well said. A vote for snp is a vote for Scotland and for Scotland's best interests.

Troll.

Perhaps you're being facetious, simoid, but can you please explain how the above is trolling? Or how it's trolling any more than this is:

McWigglebum4th said:

You are so right those tory SCUM will never do anything to help us


look at this they tory s have increased the fuel duty by 5 pence in areas that voted for freedom

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-is...

Not being facetious, no. I get from the manner and tone of arp1's posts that he's only here to wind up and troll. I get the impression from Mr Mcwigglebum IV's posts that he's genuinely miffed by the antics of the nationalists.

[HD Adam]

xjsdriver said:

Not only have the 45 stuck together - we've attracted some that voted No too. It's not surprising how toxic the thought of voting Labour has become.

According to the lies, damn lies & statistics, if the SNP wins as many votes as you say, Labour will not be able to form a Government as they won't have a majority.

Wee Jimmy Krankie has said that she will not enter a coalition with the Tories but would with Labour to form a majority in Westminster.

So, voting Labour is toxic, therefore vote SNP and get a Labour Govt

How does that work then?

[Janluke]

xjsdriver said:

Janluke said:

Election's going to be interesting for sure, be nice to see a good turn out. It will be interesting to see if one side is more engaged than the other, whats clear is this isnt over yet so that says to me more people on both sides voting

I think you'll find that there will be more than two sides contesting the election.... but you are right - it will be interesting.

Yes you're right, by two sides I was meaning the people who voted Yes and the No voters. I guess some No voters will have voted SNP in the past and may do so this time as they like the way they govern and some Yes voters will be traditional Labour voters and will struggle voting SNP. Personally I think its going to be hard to predict. I reckon todays poll may work against the SNP and galvanise unionist voters into a strong turnout

[simoid]

Janluke said:

xjsdriver said:

Janluke said:

Election's going to be interesting for sure, be nice to see a good turn out. It will be interesting to see if one side is more engaged than the other, whats clear is this isnt over yet so that says to me more people on both sides voting

I think you'll find that there will be more than two sides contesting the election.... but you are right - it will be interesting.

Yes you're right, by two sides I was meaning the people who voted Yes and the No voters. I guess some No voters will have voted SNP in the past and may do so this time as they like the way they govern and some Yes voters will be traditional Labour voters and will struggle voting SNP. Personally I think its going to be hard to predict. I reckon todays poll may work against the SNP and galvanise unionist voters into a strong turnout

IIRC something like 30% (maybe more) of 2010's Labour voters voted Yes.

Technically I suppose, if the non-Yes voters got themselves organised enough, the SNP wouldn't have any seats. Good ol' FPTP

[Janluke]

simoid said:

IIRC something like 30% (maybe more) of 2010's Labour voters voted Yes.

Technically I suppose, if the non-Yes voters got themselves organised enough, the SNP wouldn't have any seats. Good ol' FPTP

Its possible but of course in a General Election people will vote on a variety of issues not just independence

[simoid]

Janluke said:

Its possible but of course in a General Election people will vote on a variety of issues not just independence

Well, since MSPs pretty much run all of Scotland's national issues, the list of reasons to vote for a Scottish MP are a-dwindling.