Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6

[simoid]

Edinburger said:

simoid said:

arp1 said:

Well said. A vote for snp is a vote for Scotland and for Scotland's best interests.

Troll.

Perhaps you're being facetious, simoid, but can you please explain how the above is trolling? Or how it's trolling any more than this is:

McWigglebum4th said:

You are so right those tory SCUM will never do anything to help us


look at this they tory s have increased the fuel duty by 5 pence in areas that voted for freedom

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-is...

Not being facetious, no. I get from the manner and tone of arp1's posts that he's only here to wind up and troll. I get the impression from Mr Mcwigglebum IV's posts that he's genuinely miffed by the antics of the nationalists.

[HD Adam]

xjsdriver said:

Not only have the 45 stuck together - we've attracted some that voted No too. It's not surprising how toxic the thought of voting Labour has become.

According to the lies, damn lies & statistics, if the SNP wins as many votes as you say, Labour will not be able to form a Government as they won't have a majority.

Wee Jimmy Krankie has said that she will not enter a coalition with the Tories but would with Labour to form a majority in Westminster.

So, voting Labour is toxic, therefore vote SNP and get a Labour Govt

How does that work then?

[Janluke]

xjsdriver said:

Janluke said:

Election's going to be interesting for sure, be nice to see a good turn out. It will be interesting to see if one side is more engaged than the other, whats clear is this isnt over yet so that says to me more people on both sides voting

I think you'll find that there will be more than two sides contesting the election.... but you are right - it will be interesting.

Yes you're right, by two sides I was meaning the people who voted Yes and the No voters. I guess some No voters will have voted SNP in the past and may do so this time as they like the way they govern and some Yes voters will be traditional Labour voters and will struggle voting SNP. Personally I think its going to be hard to predict. I reckon todays poll may work against the SNP and galvanise unionist voters into a strong turnout

[simoid]

Janluke said:

xjsdriver said:

Janluke said:

Election's going to be interesting for sure, be nice to see a good turn out. It will be interesting to see if one side is more engaged than the other, whats clear is this isnt over yet so that says to me more people on both sides voting

I think you'll find that there will be more than two sides contesting the election.... but you are right - it will be interesting.

Yes you're right, by two sides I was meaning the people who voted Yes and the No voters. I guess some No voters will have voted SNP in the past and may do so this time as they like the way they govern and some Yes voters will be traditional Labour voters and will struggle voting SNP. Personally I think its going to be hard to predict. I reckon todays poll may work against the SNP and galvanise unionist voters into a strong turnout

IIRC something like 30% (maybe more) of 2010's Labour voters voted Yes.

Technically I suppose, if the non-Yes voters got themselves organised enough, the SNP wouldn't have any seats. Good ol' FPTP

[Janluke]

simoid said:

IIRC something like 30% (maybe more) of 2010's Labour voters voted Yes.

Technically I suppose, if the non-Yes voters got themselves organised enough, the SNP wouldn't have any seats. Good ol' FPTP

Its possible but of course in a General Election people will vote on a variety of issues not just independence

[simoid]

Janluke said:

Its possible but of course in a General Election people will vote on a variety of issues not just independence

Well, since MSPs pretty much run all of Scotland's national issues, the list of reasons to vote for a Scottish MP are a-dwindling.

[Welshbeef]

Janluke said:

Its possible but of course in a General Election people will vote on a variety of issues not just independence

How is that possible? If you view Independance highly there is only one party to vote for and that issue surpasses any other policy. Its also a nightmare as forever more they will focus on splitting rather than making the country great and better as is accepting the settled will of he Scottish people & that only 3 out of 59 constituencies voted yes.

[xjsdriver]

simoid said:

Not being facetious, no. I get from the manner and tone of arp1's posts that he's only here to wind up and troll. I get the impression from Mr Mcwigglebum IV's posts that he's genuinely miffed by the antics of the nationalists.

Ever the apologist eh Simoid? What would Wibbles have to do before you couldn't condone his actions? Kiddie fiddling perhaps?......but even then you'd probably come out with something along the lines of..... "it's OK they were only nationalists children"

[Janluke]

Welshbeef said:

How is that possible? If you view Independance highly there is only one party to vote for and that issue surpasses any other policy. Its also a nightmare as forever more they will focus on splitting rather than making the country great and better as is accepting the settled will of he Scottish people & that only 3 out of 59 constituencies voted yes.

People voted yes or no as they had to express a preference not everyone who voted felt strongly about it. I suspect some people didnt even make up their minds until they had the voting slip in front of them. In the General Election there will be voters who feel strongly about the NHS or the banks or defence etc etc.

The hardcore both for and against will independence will vote with that in mind but I think its a mistake to think every Scottish voter feels that way.

Personally I voted to remain part of the Union and will vote tactically to try and reduce the number of seats the SNP hold. Their failure to accept the result has annoyed me and I dislike the idea of independence by the back door. We where told this was the chance of a lifetime/generation and I believed that to mean the result would be respected and we wouldn't have a another referendum for a long time.

[Welshbeef]

Janluke said:

People voted yes or no as they had to express a preference not everyone who voted felt strongly about it. I suspect some people didnt even make up their minds until they had the voting slip in front of them. In the General Election there will be voters who feel strongly about the NHS or the banks or defence etc etc.

The hardcore both for and against will independence will vote with that in mind but I think its a mistake to think every Scottish voter feels that way.

Personally I voted to remain part of the Union and will vote tactically to try and reduce the number of seats the SNP hold. Their failure to accept the result has annoyed me and I dislike the idea of independence by the back door. We where told this was the chance of a lifetime/generation and I believed that to mean the result would be respected and we wouldn't have a another referendum for a long time.

I put it to you that anyone who wasn't sure or didn't feel that strongly about it wouldn't not have voted Yes. If anyone in that situation did get the straight jacket out.

[McWigglebum4th]

xjsdriver said:

Ever the apologist eh Simoid? What would Wibbles have to do before you couldn't condone his actions? Kiddie fiddling perhaps?......but even then you'd probably come out with something along the lines of..... "it's OK they were only nationalists children"

Nationalist scum

[Justayellowbadge]

McWigglebum4th said:

xjsdriver said:

Ever the apologist eh Simoid? What would Wibbles have to do before you couldn't condone his actions? Kiddie fiddling perhaps?......but even then you'd probably come out with something along the lines of..... "it's OK they were only nationalists children"

Nationalist scum

Give it a rest you two.

[AstonZagato]

xjsdriver said:

Ever the apologist eh Simoid? What would Wibbles have to do before you couldn't condone his actions? Kiddie fiddling perhaps?......but even then you'd probably come out with something along the lines of..... "it's OK they were only nationalists children"

Extraordinary statement. Is this some sort of meta-Godwins? Suggesting someone who argues with you would support kiddy fiddling? Jesus. New low. Whatever, you have now comprehensively lost the argument along with the plot.

[McWigglebum4th]

AstonZagato said:

xjsdriver said:

Ever the apologist eh Simoid? What would Wibbles have to do before you couldn't condone his actions? Kiddie fiddling perhaps?......but even then you'd probably come out with something along the lines of..... "it's OK they were only nationalists children"

Extraordinary statement. Is this some sort of meta-Godwins? Suggesting someone who argues with you would support kiddy fiddling? Jesus. New low. Whatever, you have now comprehensively lost the argument along with the plot.

not unusual

apparently a no vote was a vote to accept shagging children

spend 10 minutes on the yes sites and you will find it

[xjsdriver]

AstonZagato said:

xjsdriver said:

Ever the apologist eh Simoid? What would Wibbles have to do before you couldn't condone his actions? Kiddie fiddling perhaps?......but even then you'd probably come out with something along the lines of..... "it's OK they were only nationalists children"

Extraordinary statement. Is this some sort of meta-Godwins? Suggesting someone who argues with you would support kiddy fiddling? Jesus. New low. Whatever, you have now comprehensively lost the argument along with the plot.

Not at all - I'm suggesting that it would take some extra-ordinarily deplorable actions to be taken before Simoid gives up the pretence that anything Wibbles posts is anything but third rate trolling.
As you were gents.....

[McWigglebum4th]

xjsdriver said:

Not at all - I'm suggesting that it would take some extra-ordinarily deplorable actions to be taken before Simoid gives up the pretence that anything Wibbles posts is anything but third rate trolling.
As you were gents.....

If you lot engaged with reality and answered some questions then we might move forward

[AstonZagato]

xjsdriver said:

AstonZagato said:

xjsdriver said:

Ever the apologist eh Simoid? What would Wibbles have to do before you couldn't condone his actions? Kiddie fiddling perhaps?......but even then you'd probably come out with something along the lines of..... "it's OK they were only nationalists children"

Extraordinary statement. Is this some sort of meta-Godwins? Suggesting someone who argues with you would support kiddy fiddling? Jesus. New low. Whatever, you have now comprehensively lost the argument along with the plot.

Not at all - I'm suggesting that it would take some extra-ordinarily deplorable actions to be taken before Simoid gives up the pretence that anything Wibbles posts is anything but third rate trolling.
As you were gents.....

I'm afraid that your remaining credibility (which, admittedly, was already only observable using powerful microscopy) vanished when you made that post.

Kiddy fiddling. Jesus.

You need to apologise. Seriously.

[mcdjl]

xjsdriver said:

Not at all - I'm suggesting that it would take some extra-ordinarily deplorable actions to be taken before Simoid gives up the pretence that anything Wibbles posts is anything but third rate trolling.
As you were gents.....

The phrase "as you were gents" is interesting to me, as it suggests that you want things to go back to how they were before you turned up. This in turn suggests that you were happy with things how they were, or that you turned up knew you were being annoying and are going again. I can't decide which.
While the `debate` has been of a low standard in general, suggesting that one poster would defend another's kiddie fiddling is a new low, even for this thread.

[xjsdriver]

McWigglebum4th said:

xjsdriver said:

Not at all - I'm suggesting that it would take some extra-ordinarily deplorable actions to be taken before Simoid gives up the pretence that anything Wibbles posts is anything but third rate trolling.
As you were gents.....

If you lot engaged with reality and answered some questions then we might move forward

I've answered many, many questions many times over - sometimes having to repeat myself, like I'm having to explain to children with learning difficulties, who throw a strop if they don't like what they hear. So if hearing something you don't like or agree with, makes you think you can act like a child with learning difficulties, who am I to have the temerity to try stop you?

[Welshbeef]

xjsdriver said:

I've answered many, many questions many times over - sometimes having to repeat myself, like I'm having to explain to children with learning difficulties, who throw a strop if they don't like what they hear. So if hearing something you don't like or agree with, makes you think you can act like a child with learning difficulties, who am I to have the temerity to try stop you?

Given the UK is a democracy why do you bang on about not getting the party you voted for - more than 50% of the time as the last half century have provided?

What about the identical person who voted Tory its the exact same Argument. What about the Scottish Tory vote c20% of the vote why have they only got 1 MP how is that fair its utterly not proportional to the vote? Why in the last Holyrood election did the SNP (who got 23% of the vote v 19% of the Tory vote) yet win just a majority... Yet Tory get one. They are never getting the government they voted for.


What about the non "45's" they didn't vote yes yet why is it the "45's" are shouting so loudly and not accepting the settled will of the Scottish people? Or do it constitutancy instead you got 3 out of 59 ... Um so it seems only those who shout loudest get noticed even though it impacts all.