Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6

[HD Adam]

HD Adam said:

xjsdriver said:

Not only have the 45 stuck together - we've attracted some that voted No too. It's not surprising how toxic the thought of voting Labour has become.

According to the lies, damn lies & statistics, if the SNP wins as many votes as you say, Labour will not be able to form a Government as they won't have a majority.

Wee Jimmy Krankie has said that she will not enter a coalition with the Tories but would with Labour to form a majority in Westminster.

So, voting Labour is toxic, therefore vote SNP and get a Labour Govt

How does that work then?

xjsdriver said:

I've answered many, many questions many times over - sometimes having to repeat myself, like I'm having to explain to children with learning difficulties, who throw a strop if they don't like what they hear.

Could you answer this one then please?

Edited by HD Adam on Friday 6th March 09:31

[simoid]

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xjsdriver said:

Ever the apologist eh Simoid? What would Wibbles have to do before you couldn't condone his actions? Kiddie fiddling perhaps?......but even then you'd probably come out with something along the lines of..... "it's OK they were only nationalists children"

I didn't condone his actions, I just said I didn't get the impression he was trolling.

You are a disgusting individual.

[Strocky]

Welshbeef said:

xjsdriver said:

Not only have the 45 stuck together - we've attracted some that voted No too. It's not surprising how toxic the thought of voting Labour has become. After the complete sham aka the vow has spectacularly failed to materialise, most people has quite correctly deduced that Westminster cares not one fk for Scotland and they will be thoroughly punished in the polls for their duplicitous ways.
The question that remains, is whether or not the Tories will even retain the single solitary seat North of the Border....
As for the Lib/Dems, they really did st the nest when they jumped into bed with the Tories, so no surprises there if things don't go rosily for them in May either.

Um? Need to correct you here the Vow has been met in every way as stated at the time.

You are a little out of touch are you not and sadly its likea labour voter don't let the truth get in the way of a good lie.


What you should have said is the SNP have broken the vow they made in that they would accept the settled will of the people yet the very next day Salmond was blustering the vow is rubbish and they have not delivered on the vow... Yet output of the vow was Burns night (which happened and all agreed - next step is to pass through law job done all as stated).


Scum SNP telling huge lies an then oddly the Yes voter still pleased with this.... That said I guess its to be expected given the SNPs lies during the referendum campaign.

And in turn I need to correct your good self

Firstly the "vow" was a sop to the floating YES/NO voter, it was a panicked response from BT based on one single opinion poll giving YES a 1% lead, it was announced by Gordon Brown as "“nothing less than a modern form of Scottish Home Rule” / "as close to Federalism as can be" to get round breaking purdah (a serious offence) and was marketed by the Daily Record's front page (who where forced by IPSO to apologise for a misleading piece in their paper in regards to the vow)

The Smith Commission "recommendations" are nowhere near what Gordon Brown promised (However I'd argue only an idiot would have been swayed by the Vow)

http://wingsoverscotland.com/setting-the-record-st...

You are correct that the timeframe hasn't been broken (a timeframe criticised by experts on the UK constitution as being rushed) however the Smith Commission watered down welfare devolution at the 11th hour and it's still to pass Parliament and the House of Lords (a number of Tory backbenchers have warned they will scupper it)

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/scottish-inde...



You also have the hijacking of the Vow less than 24 hours later by David Cameron with "English votes for English laws"

Now the West Lothian question needs to be answered comprehensively and no fair minded individual should have a problem with English MP's voting on matters that in no way directly or indirectly impact on Welsh, NI or Scottish residents, however by trying to shoehorn EVEL alongside, major constitutional damage could be done and risks federalism by the back door (not sure Unionist would be happy with that scenario)

[simoid]

I consider you to be very fortunate that you're moaning about a couple of powers here and there, and not complaining that you voted for a currency union and continued EU membership which are nowhere to be seen.

[Strocky]

Be afraid, very afraid.......

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-31759733

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2982046/Th...

[AstonZagato]

Strocky said:

Be afraid, very afraid.......

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-31759733

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2982046/Th...

Yes, I agree. Two parties Getting together that have pie-in-they-sky manifestos and can't explain how they would actually implement them is a bit worrying. Still it gives the hard of thinking someone to vote for - I see it as a social good.

[Rollin]

Strocky said:

Be afraid, very afraid.......

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-31759733

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2982046/Th...

"Alex Salmond talked throughout the referendum campaign about how he and his party would spend, but far less about how Scotland would earn its living. He spoke as if Scottish ‘oil wealth’ could make it a new Saudi Arabia.

Since he wove his fairy tale, which was nonsense even then, the oil price has slumped, yet still Scots have rushed to embrace the defeated SNP. It is as if a whole people are rowing lifeboats like madmen to climb aboard the Titanic."

[TroubledSoul]

Good God, surely it's time to put this thread to bed now? It's just a bunch of nonsensical yessers still trying in vain to justify themselves while ignoring any valid points against; the biggest one of those being THE PEOPLE OF SCOTLAND DIDN'T VOTE FOR INDEPENDENCE!!

Argh! I feel better now.

[Welshbeef]

She wants another £180 billion in the next parliament, paid by the English for the benefit of the Scots — this, though her nation already receives a disproportionate share of UK public spending.





Why is this fair? £36 billion EACH year for 5 years paid for by England to go to Scotland... Um bailing out Lloyds and RBS cost about the same as one year of this yet that was dammed as those vile bankers yet now they want 5x that level of funding.



Thing is she hasn't even given an idea as to what it would mean as a return we know in 3 years time following the Tory plan we will be in surplus. This deal mean we will be £180 billion additional debt the current defecit remaining and we'd have to assume the additional £36billoon a year would simply stop in 2020 I bet it wouldn't those nasty Westminster changing the boosted Barnet formulae again.
Actually they want it £180billion but also another vote and get the Yes leave and refuse to pay back any money.


Must think rUK voters are muggs

[arp1]

The Scots ruling england? Well who's ruling scotland just now? Quite obviously they don't like it (if it ever happens I do not know) when the tables are turned... If it does happen you may well find out why there was a referendum on independence, especially when things like not wanting to be ruled by (essentially) a foreign power and those you didn't vote for....

[McWigglebum4th]

arp1 said:

The Scots ruling england? Well who's ruling scotland just now? Quite obviously they don't like it (if it ever happens I do not know) when the tables are turned... If it does happen you may well find out why there was a referendum on independence, especially when things like not wanting to be ruled by (essentially) a foreign power and those you didn't vote for....

I thought it was nothing about the english

I thought it was to create a socialist utopia like north korea

[arp1]

If the media are portraying one part of the country 'ruling' another, then what part is 'ruling' just now? Media hypocracy as usual and as we are in this rosy Union, ten what does it matter who is 'ruling' and from what part of the country?

[rovermorris999]

Blimey! Is this thread still here? I thought there was a referendum or was I dreaming?

[AstonZagato]

arp1 said:

If the media are portraying one part of the country 'ruling' another, then what part is 'ruling' just now? Media hypocracy as usual and as we are in this rosy Union, ten what does it matter who is 'ruling' and from what part of the country?

Scotland rules Scotland. There is this big ugly parliament building in Edinburgh. You might have noticed it?

Meanwhile there isn't an English parliament.

[simoid]

Scotland rules Scotland - as much as we want - with the UK running the rest. If only we could have a vote or something as Mr Rover-Morris says

[simoid]

JINXED TOUCH WOOD NO RETURNS!

[McWigglebum4th]

arp1 said:

If the media are portraying one part of the country 'ruling' another, then what part is 'ruling' just now? Media hypocracy as usual and as we are in this rosy Union, ten what does it matter who is 'ruling' and from what part of the country?

If you don't want tone ruled by another nation then can i ask for an answer to this

Why do you hate UKIP so much?

Why is being in the EU so important?

[Welshbeef]

arp1 said:

If the media are portraying one part of the country 'ruling' another, then what part is 'ruling' just now? Media hypocracy as usual and as we are in this rosy Union, ten what does it matter who is 'ruling' and from what part of the country?

You know what a really good idea would be?

I'll tell you you - you split the country into segments of c100k people these then vote for an individual to represent them that individual goes to fight for his 100k population based upon their requirements he voices concerns and views and votes with 649 other individuals all elected in the same way.

What this system does is give a fair representation of the people within a country at a national level.

Heck its a bloody good idea and will save billions of £ every year over what we currently have. Why do these Hplyrood, Welsh assembly and NI have all this money going to non value add areas instead of the poorest and needy in society.


Hmm now there's a good idea.

[arp1]

You haven't answered my question

[McWigglebum4th]

okay

we are rule by the bd english and we must rise up and gain our fzreeeddddoooommmm so we can immediately join the EU and be ruled by brussels