Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6
Discussion
Sway said:
arp1 said:
You haven't answered my question
The part of the union ruling right now is mixed - a large part by the tossers in Holyrood, who I believe are all Scottish, and the rest by an unweighted ballot of representatives voting in the best interests of the 100k odd constituents they represent.Now tell me, why should Scottish representatives than London ones?
You need to recognise, like Cornwall has, that you're a country in name only. You're not. Neither is England. You're a region, sparsely populated, and therefore your needs should have the same weight as other regional groups of similar populations.
Unfortunately, you've been appeased so you have your own parliament etc. in addition to the country's proper one. But best you learn to control these ideas above your station. Otherwise you'll really understand what happens when the majority are f
ked off with your whining. alert Welshbeef said:
She wants another £180 billion in the next parliament, paid by the English for the benefit of the Scots — this, though her nation already receives a disproportionate share of UK public spending.
Why is this fair? £36 billion EACH year for 5 years paid for by England to go to Scotland... Um bailing out Lloyds and RBS cost about the same as one year of this yet that was dammed as those vile bankers yet now they want 5x that level of funding.
Thing is she hasn't even given an idea as to what it would mean as a return we know in 3 years time following the Tory plan we will be in surplus. This deal mean we will be £180 billion additional debt the current defecit remaining and we'd have to assume the additional £36billoon a year would simply stop in 2020 I bet it wouldn't those nasty Westminster changing the boosted Barnet formulae again.
Actually they want it £180billion but also another vote and get the Yes leave and refuse to pay back any money.
Must think rUK voters are muggs
You do realise she's talking about spending £180bn within the UK for the benefit of the UK?Why is this fair? £36 billion EACH year for 5 years paid for by England to go to Scotland... Um bailing out Lloyds and RBS cost about the same as one year of this yet that was dammed as those vile bankers yet now they want 5x that level of funding.
Thing is she hasn't even given an idea as to what it would mean as a return we know in 3 years time following the Tory plan we will be in surplus. This deal mean we will be £180 billion additional debt the current defecit remaining and we'd have to assume the additional £36billoon a year would simply stop in 2020 I bet it wouldn't those nasty Westminster changing the boosted Barnet formulae again.
Actually they want it £180billion but also another vote and get the Yes leave and refuse to pay back any money.
Must think rUK voters are muggs
Don't let the facts get in the way of another wee rant against the Scots
rovermorris999 said:
Blimey! Is this thread still here? I thought there was a referendum or was I dreaming?
If the proponents of the circus would accept that those who are eligible to vote in Scotland decided that the majority of them absolutely don't want Scotland to be independent from the rest of the United Kingdom then this thread would end.Sadly they don't, and they keep trying to chip away at it.
So those that have built a happy life around the infrastructure that is provided for us, (by those that we pay to do so), and don't want it to change are consistently harangued by those that refuse to accept the will of the people that they cohabitate with.
If I was in a flatshare and didn't like the terms and conditions, I'd move out to find somewhere more habitable.
Simple and effective.
Strocky said:
Welshbeef said:
She wants another £180 billion in the next parliament, paid by the English for the benefit of the Scots — this, though her nation already receives a disproportionate share of UK public spending.
Why is this fair? £36 billion EACH year for 5 years paid for by England to go to Scotland... Um bailing out Lloyds and RBS cost about the same as one year of this yet that was dammed as those vile bankers yet now they want 5x that level of funding.
Thing is she hasn't even given an idea as to what it would mean as a return we know in 3 years time following the Tory plan we will be in surplus. This deal mean we will be £180 billion additional debt the current defecit remaining and we'd have to assume the additional £36billoon a year would simply stop in 2020 I bet it wouldn't those nasty Westminster changing the boosted Barnet formulae again.
Actually they want it £180billion but also another vote and get the Yes leave and refuse to pay back any money.
Must think rUK voters are muggs
You do realise she's talking about spending £180bn within the UK for the benefit of the UK?Why is this fair? £36 billion EACH year for 5 years paid for by England to go to Scotland... Um bailing out Lloyds and RBS cost about the same as one year of this yet that was dammed as those vile bankers yet now they want 5x that level of funding.
Thing is she hasn't even given an idea as to what it would mean as a return we know in 3 years time following the Tory plan we will be in surplus. This deal mean we will be £180 billion additional debt the current defecit remaining and we'd have to assume the additional £36billoon a year would simply stop in 2020 I bet it wouldn't those nasty Westminster changing the boosted Barnet formulae again.
Actually they want it £180billion but also another vote and get the Yes leave and refuse to pay back any money.
Must think rUK voters are muggs
Don't let the facts get in the way of another wee rant against the Scots
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Strocky said:
You do realise she's talking about spending £180bn within the UK for the benefit of the UK?
Don't let the facts get in the way of another wee rant against the Scots
She cannot dictate to rUK what should or shouldn't happen - she doesn't represent them. Don't let the facts get in the way of another wee rant against the Scots
We need RUK MPs to dictate to Holyrood what they should be doing - oh hold on that would go down well wouldn't it and they'd call that individual a freity and fiert
Welshbeef said:
Strocky said:
You do realise she's talking about spending £180bn within the UK for the benefit of the UK?
Don't let the facts get in the way of another wee rant against the Scots
She cannot dictate to rUK what should or shouldn't happen - she doesn't represent them. Don't let the facts get in the way of another wee rant against the Scots
We need RUK MPs to dictate to Holyrood what they should be doing - oh hold on that would go down well wouldn't it and they'd call that individual a freity and fiert
arp1 said:
Does 'just call me dave' and his ilk represent Scotland though? Exactly the same idea, reversed... This country can't have it all ways and slanted in just one direction, and unfortunately that's the way it seems and the way the vast majority in ph seem to think it should be... A fair and equal partnership?
He represents 20% of the people who live in scotlandAs 20% of people who live in scotland voted tory
But you probably believe that we aren't true scots as we vote tory
McWigglebum4th said:
McWigglebum4th said:
arp1 said:
If the media are portraying one part of the country 'ruling' another, then what part is 'ruling' just now? Media hypocracy as usual and as we are in this rosy Union, ten what does it matter who is 'ruling' and from what part of the country?
If you don't want to be ruled by another nation then can i ask for an answer to thisWhy do you hate UKIP so much?
Why is being in the EU so important?
Or even an honest answer
Of course not
Edited by McWigglebum4th on Saturday 7th March 07:28
Ukip are akin to the nasty party with their racist and blame the immigrant culture and are so anti-scottish it is beyond belief, that is why I do not support them. I am mixed over the eu however for trade reasons it makes sense, however we should be able to take 'guidance' as opposed to dictated terms re legislation etc that comes from the eu.
There ye go, as the saying goes, fixed it for ye
There ye go, as the saying goes, fixed it for ye
arp1 said:
A fair and equal partnership?
Scotland is a region of the United Kingdom.It has exactly the same representative rights and ratios to every other region.
There 650 seats divvied up per 90,000 or so people of the United Kingdom.
How do you make it more fair and equal than that?
There have also been a lot of very prominent Scots in the top jobs over the years too.
You need to explain why you don't the this as fair and equal.
arp1 said:
Ukip are akin to the nasty party with their racist and blame the immigrant culture and are so anti-scottish it is beyond belief, that is why I do not support them. I am mixed over the eu however for trade reasons it makes sense, however we should be able to take 'guidance' as opposed to dictated terms re legislation etc that comes from the eu.
There ye go, as the saying goes, fixed it for ye
Care to point out UKIPs anti Scottish policies?There ye go, as the saying goes, fixed it for ye
So you are mixed over the EU
you believe it is good for trade but you believe we should leave the UK despite we sell more to England then we do to the EU
Troubleatmill said:
arp1 said:
A fair and equal partnership?
Scotland is a region of the United Kingdom.It has exactly the same representative rights and ratios to every other region.
There 650 seats divvied up per 90,000 or so people of the United Kingdom.
How do you make it more fair and equal than that?
There have also been a lot of very prominent Scots in the top jobs over the years too.
You need to explain why you don't the this as fair and equal.
We in England bought you. We'd stopped trying to conquer you militarily, and instead thrashed you economically. Your leaders made stupid mistakes like Darien, and we had you by the balls. Also meant our Queen's descendants would always be your monarch.
As is usual, when an economic takeover occurs, we did what we could to make you still feel important - you weren't. You were poor, unable to trade anywhere near as well as us, but had resources we wanted. So we let you have some concessions that made you feel good.
That doesn't mean you were, or are now, that important. You have a tiny population, and a poor economy (that has only moderately changed over the last 30 years).
If it were a union of equals, then half of parliament would be Scottish. That fact alone shows what a sham that statement was.
Now dry your eyes petal, and recognise that regardless of how much stamping of feet or whining, you're just another region whose needs should be balanced against the whole. If that works out well for Scotland feel lucky. If it doesn't then suck it up like everywhere else does.
You have more representation and power than you deserve. That has been accepted by the wider population as they didn't really know what was happening. The vast majority weren't aware of Barnett. Nor the West Lothian question. Now they are. If you remained grateful then things would have been fine, but you've pushed and insulted and whinged. The mood is changing...
Sway said:
Exactly.
We in England bought you. We'd stopped trying to conquer you militarily, and instead thrashed you economically. Your leaders made stupid mistakes like Darien, and we had you by the balls. Also meant our Queen's descendants would always be your monarch.
As is usual, when an economic takeover occurs, we did what we could to make you still feel important - you weren't. You were poor, unable to trade anywhere near as well as us, but had resources we wanted. So we let you have some concessions that made you feel good.
That doesn't mean you were, or are now, that important. You have a tiny population, and a poor economy (that has only moderately changed over the last 30 years).
If it were a union of equals, then half of parliament would be Scottish. That fact alone shows what a sham that statement was.
Now dry your eyes petal, and recognise that regardless of how much stamping of feet or whining, you're just another region whose needs should be balanced against the whole. If that works out well for Scotland feel lucky. If it doesn't then suck it up like everywhere else does.
You have more representation and power than you deserve. That has been accepted by the wider population as they didn't really know what was happening. The vast majority weren't aware of Barnett. Nor the West Lothian question. Now they are. If you remained grateful then things would have been fine, but you've pushed and insulted and whinged. The mood is changing...
History brain fart here - explain the queen thing...We in England bought you. We'd stopped trying to conquer you militarily, and instead thrashed you economically. Your leaders made stupid mistakes like Darien, and we had you by the balls. Also meant our Queen's descendants would always be your monarch.
As is usual, when an economic takeover occurs, we did what we could to make you still feel important - you weren't. You were poor, unable to trade anywhere near as well as us, but had resources we wanted. So we let you have some concessions that made you feel good.
That doesn't mean you were, or are now, that important. You have a tiny population, and a poor economy (that has only moderately changed over the last 30 years).
If it were a union of equals, then half of parliament would be Scottish. That fact alone shows what a sham that statement was.
Now dry your eyes petal, and recognise that regardless of how much stamping of feet or whining, you're just another region whose needs should be balanced against the whole. If that works out well for Scotland feel lucky. If it doesn't then suck it up like everywhere else does.
You have more representation and power than you deserve. That has been accepted by the wider population as they didn't really know what was happening. The vast majority weren't aware of Barnett. Nor the West Lothian question. Now they are. If you remained grateful then things would have been fine, but you've pushed and insulted and whinged. The mood is changing...
Sway said:
Exactly.
We in England bought you. We'd stopped trying to conquer you militarily, and instead thrashed you economically. Your leaders made stupid mistakes like Darien, and we had you by the balls. Also meant our Queen's descendants would always be your monarch.
As is usual, when an economic takeover occurs, we did what we could to make you still feel important - you weren't. You were poor, unable to trade anywhere near as well as us, but had resources we wanted. So we let you have some concessions that made you feel good.
That doesn't mean you were, or are now, that important. You have a tiny population, and a poor economy (that has only moderately changed over the last 30 years).
If it were a union of equals, then half of parliament would be Scottish. That fact alone shows what a sham that statement was.
Now dry your eyes petal, and recognise that regardless of how much stamping of feet or whining, you're just another region whose needs should be balanced against the whole. If that works out well for Scotland feel lucky. If it doesn't then suck it up like everywhere else does.
You have more representation and power than you deserve. That has been accepted by the wider population as they didn't really know what was happening. The vast majority weren't aware of Barnett. Nor the West Lothian question. Now they are. If you remained grateful then things would have been fine, but you've pushed and insulted and whinged. The mood is changing...
You didn't stick in at school, sunshine. We in England bought you. We'd stopped trying to conquer you militarily, and instead thrashed you economically. Your leaders made stupid mistakes like Darien, and we had you by the balls. Also meant our Queen's descendants would always be your monarch.
As is usual, when an economic takeover occurs, we did what we could to make you still feel important - you weren't. You were poor, unable to trade anywhere near as well as us, but had resources we wanted. So we let you have some concessions that made you feel good.
That doesn't mean you were, or are now, that important. You have a tiny population, and a poor economy (that has only moderately changed over the last 30 years).
If it were a union of equals, then half of parliament would be Scottish. That fact alone shows what a sham that statement was.
Now dry your eyes petal, and recognise that regardless of how much stamping of feet or whining, you're just another region whose needs should be balanced against the whole. If that works out well for Scotland feel lucky. If it doesn't then suck it up like everywhere else does.
You have more representation and power than you deserve. That has been accepted by the wider population as they didn't really know what was happening. The vast majority weren't aware of Barnett. Nor the West Lothian question. Now they are. If you remained grateful then things would have been fine, but you've pushed and insulted and whinged. The mood is changing...
Troubleatmill said:
Scotland is a region of the United Kingdom.
It has exactly the same representative rights and ratios to every other region.
There 650 seats divvied up per 90,000 or so people of the United Kingdom.
How do you make it more fair and equal than that?
There have also been a lot of very prominent Scots in the top jobs over the years too.
You need to explain why you don't the this as fair and equal.
Scotland is a country of the UK representing 1/3 of the UK's land mass and less than 10% of the UK's population. It has exactly the same representative rights and ratios to every other region.
There 650 seats divvied up per 90,000 or so people of the United Kingdom.
How do you make it more fair and equal than that?
There have also been a lot of very prominent Scots in the top jobs over the years too.
You need to explain why you don't the this as fair and equal.
That's relevant.
Edinburger said:
Sway said:
Now dry your eyes petal, and recognise that regardless of how much stamping of feet or whining, you're just another region whose needs should be balanced against the whole. If that works out well for Scotland feel lucky. If it doesn't then suck it up like everywhere else does.
You have more representation and power than you deserve. That has been accepted by the wider population as they didn't really know what was happening. The vast majority weren't aware of Barnett. Nor the West Lothian question. Now they are. If you remained grateful then things would have been fine, but you've pushed and insulted and whinged. The mood is changing...
You didn't stick in at school, sunshine. You have more representation and power than you deserve. That has been accepted by the wider population as they didn't really know what was happening. The vast majority weren't aware of Barnett. Nor the West Lothian question. Now they are. If you remained grateful then things would have been fine, but you've pushed and insulted and whinged. The mood is changing...
The mood is changing
There is a growing feeling down south that the UK would be better off with scotland
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