Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6
Discussion
Sway said:
Exactly.
We in England bought you. We'd stopped trying to conquer you militarily, and instead thrashed you economically. Your leaders made stupid mistakes like Darien, and we had you by the balls. Also meant our Queen's descendants would always be your monarch.
As is usual, when an economic takeover occurs, we did what we could to make you still feel important - you weren't. You were poor, unable to trade anywhere near as well as us, but had resources we wanted. So we let you have some concessions that made you feel good.
That doesn't mean you were, or are now, that important. You have a tiny population, and a poor economy (that has only moderately changed over the last 30 years).
If it were a union of equals, then half of parliament would be Scottish. That fact alone shows what a sham that statement was.
Now dry your eyes petal, and recognise that regardless of how much stamping of feet or whining, you're just another region whose needs should be balanced against the whole. If that works out well for Scotland feel lucky. If it doesn't then suck it up like everywhere else does.
You have more representation and power than you deserve. That has been accepted by the wider population as they didn't really know what was happening. The vast majority weren't aware of Barnett. Nor the West Lothian question. Now they are. If you remained grateful then things would have been fine, but you've pushed and insulted and whinged. The mood is changing...
History brain fart here - explain the queen thing...We in England bought you. We'd stopped trying to conquer you militarily, and instead thrashed you economically. Your leaders made stupid mistakes like Darien, and we had you by the balls. Also meant our Queen's descendants would always be your monarch.
As is usual, when an economic takeover occurs, we did what we could to make you still feel important - you weren't. You were poor, unable to trade anywhere near as well as us, but had resources we wanted. So we let you have some concessions that made you feel good.
That doesn't mean you were, or are now, that important. You have a tiny population, and a poor economy (that has only moderately changed over the last 30 years).
If it were a union of equals, then half of parliament would be Scottish. That fact alone shows what a sham that statement was.
Now dry your eyes petal, and recognise that regardless of how much stamping of feet or whining, you're just another region whose needs should be balanced against the whole. If that works out well for Scotland feel lucky. If it doesn't then suck it up like everywhere else does.
You have more representation and power than you deserve. That has been accepted by the wider population as they didn't really know what was happening. The vast majority weren't aware of Barnett. Nor the West Lothian question. Now they are. If you remained grateful then things would have been fine, but you've pushed and insulted and whinged. The mood is changing...
Sway said:
Exactly.
We in England bought you. We'd stopped trying to conquer you militarily, and instead thrashed you economically. Your leaders made stupid mistakes like Darien, and we had you by the balls. Also meant our Queen's descendants would always be your monarch.
As is usual, when an economic takeover occurs, we did what we could to make you still feel important - you weren't. You were poor, unable to trade anywhere near as well as us, but had resources we wanted. So we let you have some concessions that made you feel good.
That doesn't mean you were, or are now, that important. You have a tiny population, and a poor economy (that has only moderately changed over the last 30 years).
If it were a union of equals, then half of parliament would be Scottish. That fact alone shows what a sham that statement was.
Now dry your eyes petal, and recognise that regardless of how much stamping of feet or whining, you're just another region whose needs should be balanced against the whole. If that works out well for Scotland feel lucky. If it doesn't then suck it up like everywhere else does.
You have more representation and power than you deserve. That has been accepted by the wider population as they didn't really know what was happening. The vast majority weren't aware of Barnett. Nor the West Lothian question. Now they are. If you remained grateful then things would have been fine, but you've pushed and insulted and whinged. The mood is changing...
You didn't stick in at school, sunshine. We in England bought you. We'd stopped trying to conquer you militarily, and instead thrashed you economically. Your leaders made stupid mistakes like Darien, and we had you by the balls. Also meant our Queen's descendants would always be your monarch.
As is usual, when an economic takeover occurs, we did what we could to make you still feel important - you weren't. You were poor, unable to trade anywhere near as well as us, but had resources we wanted. So we let you have some concessions that made you feel good.
That doesn't mean you were, or are now, that important. You have a tiny population, and a poor economy (that has only moderately changed over the last 30 years).
If it were a union of equals, then half of parliament would be Scottish. That fact alone shows what a sham that statement was.
Now dry your eyes petal, and recognise that regardless of how much stamping of feet or whining, you're just another region whose needs should be balanced against the whole. If that works out well for Scotland feel lucky. If it doesn't then suck it up like everywhere else does.
You have more representation and power than you deserve. That has been accepted by the wider population as they didn't really know what was happening. The vast majority weren't aware of Barnett. Nor the West Lothian question. Now they are. If you remained grateful then things would have been fine, but you've pushed and insulted and whinged. The mood is changing...
Troubleatmill said:
Scotland is a region of the United Kingdom.
It has exactly the same representative rights and ratios to every other region.
There 650 seats divvied up per 90,000 or so people of the United Kingdom.
How do you make it more fair and equal than that?
There have also been a lot of very prominent Scots in the top jobs over the years too.
You need to explain why you don't the this as fair and equal.
Scotland is a country of the UK representing 1/3 of the UK's land mass and less than 10% of the UK's population. It has exactly the same representative rights and ratios to every other region.
There 650 seats divvied up per 90,000 or so people of the United Kingdom.
How do you make it more fair and equal than that?
There have also been a lot of very prominent Scots in the top jobs over the years too.
You need to explain why you don't the this as fair and equal.
That's relevant.
Edinburger said:
Sway said:
Now dry your eyes petal, and recognise that regardless of how much stamping of feet or whining, you're just another region whose needs should be balanced against the whole. If that works out well for Scotland feel lucky. If it doesn't then suck it up like everywhere else does.
You have more representation and power than you deserve. That has been accepted by the wider population as they didn't really know what was happening. The vast majority weren't aware of Barnett. Nor the West Lothian question. Now they are. If you remained grateful then things would have been fine, but you've pushed and insulted and whinged. The mood is changing...
You didn't stick in at school, sunshine. You have more representation and power than you deserve. That has been accepted by the wider population as they didn't really know what was happening. The vast majority weren't aware of Barnett. Nor the West Lothian question. Now they are. If you remained grateful then things would have been fine, but you've pushed and insulted and whinged. The mood is changing...
The mood is changing
There is a growing feeling down south that the UK would be better off with scotland
McWigglebum4th said:
Care to point out UKIPs anti Scottish policies?
So you are mixed over the EU
you believe it is good for trade but you believe we should leave the UK despite we sell more to England then we do to the EU
For starters, UKIP is preparing a manifesto pledge to slash billions of pounds from Scotland’s budget to help to pay for tax cuts for English voters.So you are mixed over the EU
you believe it is good for trade but you believe we should leave the UK despite we sell more to England then we do to the EU
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ukip...
Edinburger said:
McWigglebum4th said:
Care to point out UKIPs anti Scottish policies?
So you are mixed over the EU
you believe it is good for trade but you believe we should leave the UK despite we sell more to England then we do to the EU
For starters, UKIP is preparing a manifesto pledge to slash billions of pounds from Scotland’s budget to help to pay for tax cuts for English voters.So you are mixed over the EU
you believe it is good for trade but you believe we should leave the UK despite we sell more to England then we do to the EU
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ukip...
Then logically then surely the current spending levels in england must also be anti english
Also by moaning bout scotland be threatened with the same levels of spending as england must mean you acknowledge we get more spending then england
Remind me again what a bum deal we are getting
Edinburger said:
You didn't stick in at school, sunshine.
Funnily enough, Scottish history was given as much relevance at my school as that of Belgium's...Appropriately so. However I was embued with the ability to read, and understand what I'm reading.
So tell me where I'm wrong, and if possible cite sources.
Oh, and why is the land area relevant? You have approx. 10% of representatives at Parliament, which is right for your population...
Sway,
Don't let them wind you up - it what the losers want. If they can get a few people south of the border to say nasty things they will wave their oversized victim cards (just wait, they'll be along in a moment) and try to rally a few more to the losing side of the argument. The majority of Scots want nothing to do with this idiocy because they understand democracy and fairness. These referendum deniers understand neither of these.
Don't let them wind you up - it what the losers want. If they can get a few people south of the border to say nasty things they will wave their oversized victim cards (just wait, they'll be along in a moment) and try to rally a few more to the losing side of the argument. The majority of Scots want nothing to do with this idiocy because they understand democracy and fairness. These referendum deniers understand neither of these.
McWigglebum4th said:
. . . . . . . . Remind me again what a bum deal we are getting
I'm afraid the only bum deal you're getting is Holyrood and the SNP . . . . . . . but that's the result of those who vote them in and, in a democratic society, you are going to have to put up it. Or move to a country where the administration don't have s
t for brains . . . . . . although that's not that easy to find. You have my sympathy.Edinburger said:
Troubleatmill said:
Scotland is a region of the United Kingdom.
It has exactly the same representative rights and ratios to every other region.
There 650 seats divvied up per 90,000 or so people of the United Kingdom.
How do you make it more fair and equal than that?
There have also been a lot of very prominent Scots in the top jobs over the years too.
You need to explain why you don't the this as fair and equal.
Scotland is a country of the UK representing 1/3 of the UK's land mass and less than 10% of the UK's population. It has exactly the same representative rights and ratios to every other region.
There 650 seats divvied up per 90,000 or so people of the United Kingdom.
How do you make it more fair and equal than that?
There have also been a lot of very prominent Scots in the top jobs over the years too.
You need to explain why you don't the this as fair and equal.
That's relevant.
Edinburger said:
Scotland is a country of the UK representing 1/3 of the UK's land mass and less than 10% of the UK's population.
That's relevant.
Scotland is not a country. It is a nation.That's relevant.
I accept that you would like Scotland to be a country. - But - it is not.
It is a small point - but an important one.
rovermorris999 said:
McWigglebum4th said:
My garden extends to 2 acres
I own a larger percentage of the UK then you do
So by your logic i should have extra voting rights over you
I have 12 english acres. How many votes can I have please? I own a larger percentage of the UK then you do
So by your logic i should have extra voting rights over you
so i get 2 votes
You get 12 votes
And someone in a pappy little flat in london has 0.001votes
rovermorris999 said:
McWigglebum4th said:
My garden extends to 2 acres
I own a larger percentage of the UK then you do
So by your logic i should have extra voting rights over you
I have 12 english acres. How many votes can I have please? I own a larger percentage of the UK then you do
So by your logic i should have extra voting rights over you
But a recent report suggested that 500 people own about half of Scotland. So, if Edinburger's land area = votes calculation is correct then they should each have about 20,000 votes (10mio in total). Then Scotland would have the government they require.
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