Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6

[rovermorris999]

McWigglebum4th said:

Well they are certainly more oppressing

I feel guilty now. perhaps I should pay penance. Hang on, thanks to Barnett, I already do.

[Sway]

rovermorris999 said:

McWigglebum4th said:

Well they are certainly more oppressing

I feel guilty now. perhaps I should pay penance. Hang on, thanks to Barnett, I already do.

Still being bought and sold for English gold...

[McWigglebum4th]

Axionknight said:

Four areas with a majority Yes vote, four areas that are total dumps - and full of scrubbers to boot, what a surprise.

Can anyone see a downside to giving them independence?

They could have the oil if it meant dumpdee disappearing

[arp1]

The granite city ain't exactly an oil painting mind...

[McWigglebum4th]

Makes a shedload of money

I see no reason why it should have to share it with those scumbags further south

[Welshbeef]

Edinburger said:

McWigglebum4th said:

Care to point out UKIPs anti Scottish policies?

So you are mixed over the EU

you believe it is good for trade but you believe we should leave the UK despite we sell more to England then we do to the EU

For starters, UKIP is preparing a manifesto pledge to slash billions of pounds from Scotland’s budget to help to pay for tax cuts for English voters.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ukip...

But you have tax raising powers to mitigate this -- as a country and you as a region were overspending so cut the central Barnet you get then you can choose to subsidise it OR not as you see fit.

You wanted devolution in that you pay your own way yet when things go wrong it doesn't work out odd isn't it

[arp1]

McWigglebum4th said:

Makes a shedload of money

I see no reason why it should have to share it with those scumbags further south

Exactly, keep it North of the border

[Welshbeef]

arp1 said:

McWigglebum4th said:

Makes a shedload of money

I see no reason why it should have to share it with those scumbags further south

Exactly, keep it North of the border

And that's how it works - if you don't have a deficit if you don't have a share of the £1.5trillion debt If you don't have all the off balance sheet costs If you have a separate armed forces dedicated to Scotland If you etc if you'd ever pay back Darian

But you don't.

[McWigglebum4th]

arp1 said:

McWigglebum4th said:

Makes a shedload of money

I see no reason why it should have to share it with those scumbags further south

Exactly, keep it North of the border

So you agree with the concept of what an area makes the way of wealth it should keep.

Now explain to me why Aberdeenshire should be taxed at a stupid rate to pay for the wasters in freedom city

[Mojocvh]

McWigglebum4th said:

arp1 said:

McWigglebum4th said:

Makes a shedload of money

I see no reason why it should have to share it with those scumbags further south

Exactly, keep it North of the border

So you agree with the concept of what an area makes the way of wealth it should keep.

Now explain to me why Aberdeenshire should be taxed at a stupid rate to pay for the wasters in freedom city

You been to the "real" Aberdeen then?

[Edinburger]

Itchy bum time?

David Cameron calls on Ed Miliband to rule out SNP deal

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-31780935

[Edinburger]

Troubleatmill said:

Scotland is not a country. It is a nation.
I accept that you would like Scotland to be a country. - But - it is not.

It is a small point - but an important one.

No - nations are self-governing. As we know, Scotland is governed by Wrstminster and so is therefore a country rather than a nation.

Certainly isn't a region, as some here would suggest.

[Edinburger]

Rollin said:

Wasn't relevant when discussing this..

But that was designed to illustrate vote counts as they emerged throughout the night. When the result was known, that illustration has zero relevance to anything: it's a national referendum.

[simoid]

Edinburger said:

No - nations are self-governing. As we know, Scotland is governed by Wrstminster and so is therefore a country rather than a nation.

Certainly isn't a region, as some here would suggest.

Hold on - what are our "government" doing if they're not governing?

[simoid]

Edinburger said:

Rollin said:

Wasn't relevant when discussing this..

But that was designed to illustrate vote counts as they emerged throughout the night. When the result was known, that illustration has zero relevance to anything: it's a national referendum.

That's what he said - it wasn't relevant

Why is it relevant that Scotland is 1/3 of the UK in terms of acreage?

[Edinburger]

McWigglebum4th said:

Can't see anything wrong in what he has written here

The mood is changing

There is a growing feeling down south that the UK would be better off with scotland

Got a source for this changing mood you talk of? Thought not.

I spend a few days in England every week and I'm not aware of any changing mood towards Scots and Scotland.

[Edinburger]

simoid said:

Depends if they were bought and sold with English gold.

Edinburger, care to explain why land mass is relevant?

Land, connectivity to towns/dwellings etc. makes it more expensive to run larger areas than smaller areas. Smaller population raise less taxes pro rata to find the servicing.

There's a good paper on this actually.

[Troubleatmill]

Edinburger said:

Troubleatmill said:

Scotland is not a country. It is a nation.
I accept that you would like Scotland to be a country. - But - it is not.

It is a small point - but an important one.

No - nations are self-governing. As we know, Scotland is governed by Wrstminster and so is therefore a country rather than a nation.

Certainly isn't a region, as some here would suggest.

You are wrong. Do some research and post back.
Start with this - A nation does not have sovereignty.

[///ajd]

Edinburger said:

Rollin said:

Wasn't relevant when discussing this..

But that was designed to illustrate vote counts as they emerged throughout the night. When the result was known, that illustration has zero relevance to anything: it's a national referendum.

Burger, of course it is relevant - as you brought landmass into the equation, it is good to reflect that 98% of Scotland by landmass want to remain a region of the UK.

PS you really think the ref and vow has gone without comment in the rUK?

Have you actually asked anyone in rUK want they think of Alex Salmond slagging off the English? Hint: they don't love it.

Edited by ///ajd on Saturday 7th March 20:37

[Mojocvh]

Edinburger said:

McWigglebum4th said:

Can't see anything wrong in what he has written here

The mood is changing

There is a growing feeling down south that the UK would be better off with scotland

Got a source for this changing mood you talk of? Thought not.

I spend a few days in England every week and I'm not aware of any changing mood towards Scots and Scotland.

Sure you do..