Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6
Discussion
el stovey said:
Gecko1978 said:
but you know the worst bit...rest of the UK wanted you to leave but we were not allowed to vote....
You speak for the rest of the UK? If there wasn't a vote how do you know what the rest of the UK would have voted for? It's like listening to children arguing. Apologies if you are actually a child.
The rest of the UK (read the big bit in the middle if you like) were often quoted in the press as saying they should go. This forum with its many volumes has many quotes to support that.
So again the SNP lost, a gap of 10% after years of shouting the message to anyone who would listen they still lost and lost in a big way bar dundee and glasgow (two poorest parts of Scotland I believe) the rest of the voters said no thanks.
Call me a child all you want but fact is under this gov't I have seen my business grow I am better off and doing well. Under the SNP's plans Scotland would have been a basket case. It makes me laugh really that people would vote for a party that would have seen them kicked out of Europe (which is not the same as asking in a referendum do you want to be in europe or are only scots allowed to have referendums). kicked out of NATO, loosing all major banks and thus create mass unemployment oh and not actually have a central bank or a currency lol.
Oh an just in case you missed it....you lost
Gecko1978 said:
You will recall the media circus that followed this debate and the fact the mood soured south of the border due to the negative Yes votes, threats made about defaulting on debt an kicking out trident etc and demanding share of the central bank.
The rest of the UK (read the big bit in the middle if you like) were often quoted in the press as saying they should go. This forum with its many volumes has many quotes to support that.
So again the SNP lost, a gap of 10% after years of shouting the message to anyone who would listen they still lost and lost in a big way bar dundee and glasgow (two poorest parts of Scotland I believe) the rest of the voters said no thanks.
Call me a child all you want but fact is under this gov't I have seen my business grow I am better off and doing well. Under the SNP's plans Scotland would have been a basket case. It makes me laugh really that people would vote for a party that would have seen them kicked out of Europe (which is not the same as asking in a referendum do you want to be in europe or are only scots allowed to have referendums). kicked out of NATO, loosing all major banks and thus create mass unemployment oh and not actually have a central bank or a currency lol.
Oh an just in case you missed it....you lost
Ah so you have no evidence whatsoever.The rest of the UK (read the big bit in the middle if you like) were often quoted in the press as saying they should go. This forum with its many volumes has many quotes to support that.
So again the SNP lost, a gap of 10% after years of shouting the message to anyone who would listen they still lost and lost in a big way bar dundee and glasgow (two poorest parts of Scotland I believe) the rest of the voters said no thanks.
Call me a child all you want but fact is under this gov't I have seen my business grow I am better off and doing well. Under the SNP's plans Scotland would have been a basket case. It makes me laugh really that people would vote for a party that would have seen them kicked out of Europe (which is not the same as asking in a referendum do you want to be in europe or are only scots allowed to have referendums). kicked out of NATO, loosing all major banks and thus create mass unemployment oh and not actually have a central bank or a currency lol.
Oh an just in case you missed it....you lost
I'm not a SNP supporter. I'm not even eligible to vote. I don't even come from the UK.
Well done.
Gecko1978 said:
You will recall the media circus that followed this debate and the fact the mood soured south of the border due to the negative Yes votes, threats made about defaulting on debt an kicking out trident etc and demanding share of the central bank.
The rest of the UK (read the big bit in the middle if you like) were often quoted in the press as saying they should go. This forum with its many volumes has many quotes to support that.
So again the SNP lost, a gap of 10% after years of shouting the message to anyone who would listen they still lost and lost in a big way bar dundee and glasgow (two poorest parts of Scotland I believe) the rest of the voters said no thanks.
Call me a child all you want but fact is under this gov't I have seen my business grow I am better off and doing well. Under the SNP's plans Scotland would have been a basket case. It makes me laugh really that people would vote for a party that would have seen them kicked out of Europe (which is not the same as asking in a referendum do you want to be in europe or are only scots allowed to have referendums). kicked out of NATO, loosing all major banks and thus create mass unemployment oh and not actually have a central bank or a currency lol.
Oh an just in case you missed it....you lost
Glasgow is far from the poorest part of Scotland (although it does have some of the most deprived areas of Scotland) and you forgot Republican North Lanarkshire voted YES as well The rest of the UK (read the big bit in the middle if you like) were often quoted in the press as saying they should go. This forum with its many volumes has many quotes to support that.
So again the SNP lost, a gap of 10% after years of shouting the message to anyone who would listen they still lost and lost in a big way bar dundee and glasgow (two poorest parts of Scotland I believe) the rest of the voters said no thanks.
Call me a child all you want but fact is under this gov't I have seen my business grow I am better off and doing well. Under the SNP's plans Scotland would have been a basket case. It makes me laugh really that people would vote for a party that would have seen them kicked out of Europe (which is not the same as asking in a referendum do you want to be in europe or are only scots allowed to have referendums). kicked out of NATO, loosing all major banks and thus create mass unemployment oh and not actually have a central bank or a currency lol.
Oh an just in case you missed it....you lost
As for the rest of your nonsensical hyperbole where to begin, oh dear
Strocky said:
Gecko1978 said:
You will recall the media circus that followed this debate and the fact the mood soured south of the border due to the negative Yes votes, threats made about defaulting on debt an kicking out trident etc and demanding share of the central bank.
The rest of the UK (read the big bit in the middle if you like) were often quoted in the press as saying they should go. This forum with its many volumes has many quotes to support that.
So again the SNP lost, a gap of 10% after years of shouting the message to anyone who would listen they still lost and lost in a big way bar dundee and glasgow (two poorest parts of Scotland I believe) the rest of the voters said no thanks.
Call me a child all you want but fact is under this gov't I have seen my business grow I am better off and doing well. Under the SNP's plans Scotland would have been a basket case. It makes me laugh really that people would vote for a party that would have seen them kicked out of Europe (which is not the same as asking in a referendum do you want to be in europe or are only scots allowed to have referendums). kicked out of NATO, loosing all major banks and thus create mass unemployment oh and not actually have a central bank or a currency lol.
Oh an just in case you missed it....you lost
Glasgow is far from the poorest part of Scotland (although it does have some of the most deprived areas of Scotland) and you forgot Republican North Lanarkshire voted YES as well The rest of the UK (read the big bit in the middle if you like) were often quoted in the press as saying they should go. This forum with its many volumes has many quotes to support that.
So again the SNP lost, a gap of 10% after years of shouting the message to anyone who would listen they still lost and lost in a big way bar dundee and glasgow (two poorest parts of Scotland I believe) the rest of the voters said no thanks.
Call me a child all you want but fact is under this gov't I have seen my business grow I am better off and doing well. Under the SNP's plans Scotland would have been a basket case. It makes me laugh really that people would vote for a party that would have seen them kicked out of Europe (which is not the same as asking in a referendum do you want to be in europe or are only scots allowed to have referendums). kicked out of NATO, loosing all major banks and thus create mass unemployment oh and not actually have a central bank or a currency lol.
Oh an just in case you missed it....you lost
As for the rest of your nonsensical hyperbole where to begin, oh dear
Did Banks in Scotland annouce they would move....yes
Did the oil price fall.......yes
Did Europe say they would not allow you to stay a member...yes (twice even tnhough SNP tried to hide it from voters)
Did BoE say no currency union....yes
So what did I get wrong......
facts are hard to dispute but that's nationalism for you reality does not matter just the dream.
arp1 said:
And look, big business is STILL leaving even though they said they wouldn't, so was it scaremongering or lies?
If big business is still leaving it is PRECISELY because of the antics of the SNP and the 45%ers after the referendum. You lot went from saying you would accept the settled will of the people for at least a generation to talking about having a new referendum in the near future. Neverendum is it not?Do you really have so little grasp of how business investment decisions are made? Do you not see that for any business with the majority of its customers south of the border it would be utter madness to invest in or make plans to remain in Scotland whilst the long term position of Scotland within the Union remains uncertain?
Why would you expect business to gamble in this way?
I am genuinely at a loss to understand how you can twist it such that the damage that you and those like you wreak upon the Scottish economy by your continued clamour for independence can somehow be evidence that you were right in your assertions prior to the referendum!
McWigglebum4th said:
Strocky said:
McWigglebum4th said:
And Cameron the English tory 
still beat the true scots
Aren't you a bunch of useless idiots
Beaten by an inbred Tory toff
Your religion must suck
Nope Labour/Gordon Brown won it for the Union by persuading enough Labour voters to vote NO, however that's backfired spectacularly on them since still beat the true scotsAren't you a bunch of useless idiots
Beaten by an inbred Tory toff
Your religion must suck
Thankfully the Tories behaviour since has done more to advance independence than the SNP could ever dream of
Huge investment in the form of reduced corporation tax for North Sea oil, delivering word for word the Vow, reducing poverty by increasing the level which income tax starts. Highest growth in the G7 record employment and of the 2million new jobs only 1 in 50 are zero hours.
Struggling to understand WHAT they have done to enrage?
Welshbeef said:
What on earth have the Tories done since to enrage you?
Huge investment in the form of reduced corporation tax for North Sea oil, delivering word for word the Vow, reducing poverty by increasing the level which income tax starts. Highest growth in the G7 record employment and of the 2million new jobs only 1 in 50 are zero hours.
Struggling to understand WHAT they have done to enrage?
Is it so hard to grasp?Huge investment in the form of reduced corporation tax for North Sea oil, delivering word for word the Vow, reducing poverty by increasing the level which income tax starts. Highest growth in the G7 record employment and of the 2million new jobs only 1 in 50 are zero hours.
Struggling to understand WHAT they have done to enrage?
Because English. Because Tory. Because Thatcher.
arp1 said:
And look, big business is STILL leaving even though they said they wouldn't, so was it scaremongering or lies?
So you are driving away business todayWhat would it be like if you had won
and
And what advantage is there to YOU for that voice to be friendly to england
If the SNP can make keeping scotland a MASSIVE vote loser in england what party will support keeping scotland in the 2018 independence referendum?
Of course you will not answer this as you know i speak the truth
arp1 said:
Of the main stream parties their main aim is to big business in London, not the rest of the UK and certainly not scotland up in the 'north', whereas voting Snp secures a bigger voice for a scotland centric party who speak for Scotland as a primary but will also give the house another view on how things can be done, as opposed to the usual hooray way.
So how are these angelic SNP MPs going to stop all the other parties from only working for 'big business in London'?There's going to be f
k all of them. Why would Labour work with Salmond when 'big business in London' is more important?What innate qualities do SNP MPs bring to Westminster that are better than those there now? What could a bunch of irresponsible, controlling, lying amateurs from the SNP bring to the table? They had years to work on that white paper and it was frankly a total embarrassment. The shocking thing is that you voted for it
The fact is, you and your lefty buddies like strocky, fluffnik and the rest saw an opportunity to get yourself the lefty paradise you thought everyone else in Scotland wanted. You thought people in Scotland were different to the rest of the UK. 85% different according to fluffnik
. It turns out you were very f
king wrong and instead of sticking to the 'settled will of the Scottish people' that you frothed about before the vote, you're just going to whinge, moan and stamp your feet like you always have.Strocky said:
OpulentBob said:
Strocky said:
it's not a matter of if Scotland will be an independent country, it's a matter of when,
Not for a generation though, hey? [see A. Salmond, 2014]
I used to wonder how on earth something as cohesive as the roman empire could completely implode and be nullified. Not anymore, the human capacity to do stupid things and have completely irrational beliefs never ceases to amaze me.
Gecko1978 said:
Strocky said:
Gecko1978 said:
You will recall the media circus that followed this debate and the fact the mood soured south of the border due to the negative Yes votes, threats made about defaulting on debt an kicking out trident etc and demanding share of the central bank.
The rest of the UK (read the big bit in the middle if you like) were often quoted in the press as saying they should go. This forum with its many volumes has many quotes to support that.
So again the SNP lost, a gap of 10% after years of shouting the message to anyone who would listen they still lost and lost in a big way bar dundee and glasgow (two poorest parts of Scotland I believe) the rest of the voters said no thanks.
Call me a child all you want but fact is under this gov't I have seen my business grow I am better off and doing well. Under the SNP's plans Scotland would have been a basket case. It makes me laugh really that people would vote for a party that would have seen them kicked out of Europe (which is not the same as asking in a referendum do you want to be in europe or are only scots allowed to have referendums). kicked out of NATO, loosing all major banks and thus create mass unemployment oh and not actually have a central bank or a currency lol.
Oh an just in case you missed it....you lost
Glasgow is far from the poorest part of Scotland (although it does have some of the most deprived areas of Scotland) and you forgot Republican North Lanarkshire voted YES as well The rest of the UK (read the big bit in the middle if you like) were often quoted in the press as saying they should go. This forum with its many volumes has many quotes to support that.
So again the SNP lost, a gap of 10% after years of shouting the message to anyone who would listen they still lost and lost in a big way bar dundee and glasgow (two poorest parts of Scotland I believe) the rest of the voters said no thanks.
Call me a child all you want but fact is under this gov't I have seen my business grow I am better off and doing well. Under the SNP's plans Scotland would have been a basket case. It makes me laugh really that people would vote for a party that would have seen them kicked out of Europe (which is not the same as asking in a referendum do you want to be in europe or are only scots allowed to have referendums). kicked out of NATO, loosing all major banks and thus create mass unemployment oh and not actually have a central bank or a currency lol.
Oh an just in case you missed it....you lost
As for the rest of your nonsensical hyperbole where to begin, oh dear
Did Banks in Scotland annouce they would move....yes
Did the oil price fall.......yes
Did Europe say they would not allow you to stay a member...yes (twice even tnhough SNP tried to hide it from voters)
Did BoE say no currency union....yes
So what did I get wrong......
facts are hard to dispute but that's nationalism for you reality does not matter just the dream.
Welshbeef said:
What on earth have the Tories done since to enrage you?
Huge investment in the form of reduced corporation tax for North Sea oil, delivering word for word the Vow, reducing poverty by increasing the level which income tax starts. Highest growth in the G7 record employment and of the 2million new jobs only 1 in 50 are zero hours.
Struggling to understand WHAT they have done to enrage?
Reduced corporation tax only recently as a panic measure because the oil price has dropped and increased supplementary charge since the ConDems took powerHuge investment in the form of reduced corporation tax for North Sea oil, delivering word for word the Vow, reducing poverty by increasing the level which income tax starts. Highest growth in the G7 record employment and of the 2million new jobs only 1 in 50 are zero hours.
Struggling to understand WHAT they have done to enrage?
At the risk of posting this for about the 5th time on this thread the vow was an fluff piece of propaganda by the Daily Record and not a binding contract or what was put in front of the Smith Commission to pass parliament, the Smith Commission so far has stuck to it's timetable (a timetable described as rushed by constitutional experts) and has still to pass the House of Commons and the House of Lords before it becomes enacted in law
The use of Zero Hour contracts have exploded since the Condems took power and are nothing to crow about
https://fullfact.org/factcheck/economy/zero_hour_c...
The plain fact is that the UK debt has nearly doubled to £1.5Tn under the current stewardship, we used to laugh at Banana Republics and their hyper inflation, quantitative easing has set us on the same road long term
Strocky said:
McWigglebum4th said:
So you were beaten by a mentally disabled one eyed idiot
What a scummy comment, have a word with yourself ffsTherefore i fully support child abuse according to people like yourself
(i can't be arsed to look back to see if was actually you that said a NO vote was supporting child abuse)
How much lower could i get?
McWigglebum4th said:
arp1 said:
And look, big business is STILL leaving even though they said they wouldn't, so was it scaremongering or lies?
So you are driving away business todayWhat would it be like if you had won
and
And what advantage is there to YOU for that voice to be friendly to england
If the SNP can make keeping scotland a MASSIVE vote loser in england what party will support keeping scotland in the 2018 independence referendum?
Of course you will not answer this as you know i speak the truth
Strocky said:
The plain fact is that the UK debt has nearly doubled to £1.5Tn under the current stewardship, we used to laugh at Banana Republics and their hyper inflation, quantitative easing has set us on the same road long term
And the SNP say the way to solve this is an extra 180 billion spending///ajd said:
Strocky said:
OpulentBob said:
Strocky said:
it's not a matter of if Scotland will be an independent country, it's a matter of when,
Not for a generation though, hey? [see A. Salmond, 2014]
I used to wonder how on earth something as cohesive as the roman empire could completely implode and be nullified. Not anymore, the human capacity to do stupid things and have completely irrational beliefs never ceases to amaze me.
McWigglebum4th said:
Strocky said:
McWigglebum4th said:
So you were beaten by a mentally disabled one eyed idiot
What a scummy comment, have a word with yourself ffsTherefore i fully support child abuse according to people like yourself
(i can't be arsed to look back to see if was actually you that said a NO vote was supporting child abuse)
How much lower could i get?
But since no-one takes you seriously on here, I'll let the smear slide
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