Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6
Discussion
McWigglebum4th said:
arp1 said:
You REALLY do want to run this country down and to hell with the consequences eh?
No you appear to of mistaken me for the SNPThe SNP want the country to go down the stter as then they can blame the english and win independence
I want scotland to succeed
I want scotland to attract investment
I want scotland to get richer
I want scotland to be welcoming to big business and wealthy individuals
I want to see more people working in scotland
Tell me
Do you want to see more people getting richer and more secure so they don't want independence
I voted NO because i am well off and have a nice secure job, most NO voting scum like myself voted NO for very similar reasons
She sells false dreams of wealth and fairness whilst having no intention of doing anything about it. Fuelled by nationalist nonsense, she gets her bankers salary (salary is higher than cameron ffs for running a tin pot council for less than a tenth of the population), by selling the gullible these lies. And they fall for it as demonstrated here.
She is scamming the IQ45ers just like a cowboy builder with the gift of the gab. Poor Scotland.
MissChief said:
I may have voted 'no' in the referendum but will certainly be voting SNP in the election. Any 'english' party doesn't give a stuff about Scotland and cares more about their buddies running businesses.
Don't suppose you could tell me which English party is running in Scotland?As an Englishman living in Somerset I'm unable to vote for a Scottish party.
barryrs said:
MissChief said:
I may have voted 'no' in the referendum but will certainly be voting SNP in the election. Any 'english' party doesn't give a stuff about Scotland and cares more about their buddies running businesses.
Don't suppose you could tell me which English party is running in Scotland?As an Englishman living in Somerset I'm unable to vote for a Scottish party.
MissChief said:
I may have voted 'no' in the referendum but will certainly be voting SNP in the election. Any 'english' party doesn't give a stuff about Scotland and cares more about their buddies running businesses.
Risible garbage. You seem to be yet another one who doesn't understand that there is no such thing as government money , no free money or that that there is no magic money tree down the end of the glen either.....and FFS, put your victim card away!
The vast majority of people that earn more than you are more than likely
a) harder working than you or
b) more talented than you or
c) smarter than you
Or some combination of all three.
What is far less likely is that they are just "lucky" or in some way "favoured"
Fortunately for you such people (and businesses)pay a huge amount of tax to fund the government (which still manages to spend even more still). Said government then spends a disproportionate amount of that money (per head of population) in Scotland. The amount of tax being extracted from the highest earners has also never been higher. See also "the Laffer curve" and be careful not to bite the hand that feeds you (us).
Scotland does very nicely out of being part of the Union, it receives far greater amounts of public spending per head than almost anywhere else. In cash terms by far the largest amount of that money is generated in London and the south east - so God help you if the part of the country that really earns the money and also contains a far greater percentage of the population (than is in Scotland) ever turns round & tells you to "do one".
MissChief said:
I may have voted 'no' in the referendum but will certainly be voting SNP in the election. Any 'english' party doesn't give a stuff about Scotland and cares more about their buddies running businesses.
I think you're mistaking "cares for the UK equally" for "doesn't care about Scotland".The SNP only care about themselves too. Pretending to care about the poor, moaning about Tories = vote winner with the poor. Spending as much money as they can on middle class families = vote winner for the less poor. Pretending to stand up for Scotland against the English = vote winner with the gullible.
MissChief said:
I may have voted 'no' in the referendum but will certainly be voting SNP in the election. Any 'english' party doesn't give a stuff about Scotland and cares more about their buddies running businesses.
If you want to see businesses leaving Scotland then vote SNPI cannot argue with that logic
MissChief said:
I may have voted 'no' in the referendum but will certainly be voting SNP in the election. Any 'english' party doesn't give a stuff about Scotland and cares more about their buddies running businesses.
A few points. 1. Scottish citizens will have pensions these pension funds invest in UK & overseas companies. If said businesses don't do well the pension pot is lower so less pension when we retire. Lower Corporation tax means more dividends which helps this cause a very minor upside of the low corporation tax but one for the pensioners none the less.
2. The GE needs to be for the UK as a whole what is best for the country to maximise its earnings potential, increase population satisfaction, and by having a successful economy it means welfare and NHS and education and MOD and and and can be funded. If you don't then your spending today and borrowing so that our children and grand children will pay for our overindulgeance and also means if they want the same level of care education MOD welfare etc then on top of paying for us they then have to pay again for themselves. Why is this fair?
Why does sturgeon say a "Modest" increase in spending which equates to £180 BILLION! That's nearly 25% of the total UK budget.
Doesn't compute.
Instead rather than saying modest and only 0.5% above real terms spending which can confuse many instead simply say we want to spend 4x what was spent on bailing out the banks to do XYZ. Then back it up by stating that will mean we slow the deficit clearing by x years but to pay down that extra £180billion will probably take a further 5-10years beyond the increased length of time it takes to clear the deficit.
Smoke and Mirrors Mrs Sturgeon.
Doesn't compute.
Instead rather than saying modest and only 0.5% above real terms spending which can confuse many instead simply say we want to spend 4x what was spent on bailing out the banks to do XYZ. Then back it up by stating that will mean we slow the deficit clearing by x years but to pay down that extra £180billion will probably take a further 5-10years beyond the increased length of time it takes to clear the deficit.
Smoke and Mirrors Mrs Sturgeon.
MissChief said:
I may have voted 'no' in the referendum but will certainly be voting SNP in the election. Any 'english' party doesn't give a stuff about Scotland and cares more about their buddies running businesses.
Would that be the Scotland that the UK Government gives more to per capita in funding than other areas? Is that the Scotland that has devolved powers? Is that the Scotland that has fully devolved power over its NHS yet has abused its higher funding by not matching the increased NHS funding provided in rUK, and yet moans loudly about it? Are those the businesses that provide the jobs, true wealth and economic growth within the UK?Is that the SNP whose financial assessment of an independent Scotland was so far wide of the mark it was laughable. Is that the SNP that cares only about its self and its buddies (and exercises largesse by making its SNP leader the highest paid woman in UK politics!) and doesn't give a stuff about the rest of UK?
SNP, the party for the hard of thinking!
She does it because either she doesn't understand money (and large numbers) or she thinks the electorate don't understand money (and large numbers).
The thing is that very few people have a conception of extremely large numbers. It is like Monopoly money. It seems totally meaningless. £180 billion doesn't sound that much more that £180 million. Yes, if you ask how much bigger, most people would know that it is 1,000x bigger. But 1,000 doesn't sound much bigger when you are dealing with millions. 1,000 is a small number.
Until, that is, you look at what it takes to pay it back.
Say you pay back the borrowing at £1 a second, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year.
To repay £180 million at that rate takes just over 2,000 days. An understandable period.
To repay £180 billion at the same rate would take over 5,700 years. That is longer than the Great Pyramid of Giza has been around. Over a thousand years longer.
She doesn't understand it or hopes the electorate doesn't (and largely they don't, nor do politicians)
The thing is that very few people have a conception of extremely large numbers. It is like Monopoly money. It seems totally meaningless. £180 billion doesn't sound that much more that £180 million. Yes, if you ask how much bigger, most people would know that it is 1,000x bigger. But 1,000 doesn't sound much bigger when you are dealing with millions. 1,000 is a small number.
Until, that is, you look at what it takes to pay it back.
Say you pay back the borrowing at £1 a second, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year.
To repay £180 million at that rate takes just over 2,000 days. An understandable period.
To repay £180 billion at the same rate would take over 5,700 years. That is longer than the Great Pyramid of Giza has been around. Over a thousand years longer.
She doesn't understand it or hopes the electorate doesn't (and largely they don't, nor do politicians)
James Naughtie will be off the SNP's Christmas card list after today.
He had the temerity to ask John Swinney the same question ("will you force another election over Trident if you don't get your way?") repeatedly. He then pointed out that not only was he not answering the question but was also trying to mislead people on the 5 year fixed term (Swinney was suggesting it wasn't legally possible for the government to fall).
At least James won't get hate messages because the knuckle-draggers don't listen to the Today programme because it requires rational thought of its listeners and contributors.
He had the temerity to ask John Swinney the same question ("will you force another election over Trident if you don't get your way?") repeatedly. He then pointed out that not only was he not answering the question but was also trying to mislead people on the 5 year fixed term (Swinney was suggesting it wasn't legally possible for the government to fall).
At least James won't get hate messages because the knuckle-draggers don't listen to the Today programme because it requires rational thought of its listeners and contributors.
AstonZagato said:
James Naughtie will be off the SNP's Christmas card list after today.
He had the temerity to ask John Swinney the same question ("will you force another election over Trident if you don't get your way?") repeatedly. He then pointed out that not only was he not answering the question but was also trying to mislead people on the 5 year fixed term (Swinney was suggesting it wasn't legally possible for the government to fall).
At least James won't get hate messages because the knuckle-draggers don't listen to the Today programme because it requires rational thought of its listeners and contributors.
The brownkilts will be listening and recording itHe had the temerity to ask John Swinney the same question ("will you force another election over Trident if you don't get your way?") repeatedly. He then pointed out that not only was he not answering the question but was also trying to mislead people on the 5 year fixed term (Swinney was suggesting it wasn't legally possible for the government to fall).
At least James won't get hate messages because the knuckle-draggers don't listen to the Today programme because it requires rational thought of its listeners and contributors.
McWigglebum4th said:
MissChief said:
I may have voted 'no' in the referendum but will certainly be voting SNP in the election. Any 'english' party doesn't give a stuff about Scotland and cares more about their buddies running businesses.
If you want to see businesses leaving Scotland then vote SNPI cannot argue with that logic
arp1 said:
McWigglebum4th said:
MissChief said:
I may have voted 'no' in the referendum but will certainly be voting SNP in the election. Any 'english' party doesn't give a stuff about Scotland and cares more about their buddies running businesses.
If you want to see businesses leaving Scotland then vote SNPI cannot argue with that logic
You could start by explaining how uncertainty around independence attracts and retains investment in Scotland.
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