Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6

[Strocky]

Wombat3 said:

Strocky said:

Wombat3 said:

MissChief said:

I may have voted 'no' in the referendum but will certainly be voting SNP in the election. Any 'english' party doesn't give a stuff about Scotland and cares more about their buddies running businesses.

Risible garbage. You seem to be yet another one who doesn't understand that there is no such thing as government money , no free money or that that there is no magic money tree down the end of the glen either.....

and FFS, put your victim card away!

The vast majority of people that earn more than you are more than likely

a) harder working than you or
b) more talented than you or
c) smarter than you

Or some combination of all three.

What is far less likely is that they are just "lucky" or in some way "favoured"

Fortunately for you such people (and businesses)pay a huge amount of tax to fund the government (which still manages to spend even more still). Said government then spends a disproportionate amount of that money (per head of population) in Scotland. The amount of tax being extracted from the highest earners has also never been higher. See also "the Laffer curve" and be careful not to bite the hand that feeds you (us).

Scotland does very nicely out of being part of the Union, it receives far greater amounts of public spending per head than almost anywhere else. In cash terms by far the largest amount of that money is generated in London and the south east - so God help you if the part of the country that really earns the money and also contains a far greater percentage of the population (than is in Scotland) ever turns round & tells you to "do one".

Are you including the likes of the Barclay's Brothers in your wee rant there?

They tick box a,b & c and contribute what to the UK magic money tree other than campaign donations to the Conservative party?

Last time I looked they employed quite a lot of people. A bit like Guardian Media Group.....

(Plastic spoon, must try harder)

So you're happy to subsidise the uber rich off the backs of others?

[Strocky]

barryrs said:

simoid said:

What's the story there Barry?

Guam posted the link the the previous page. - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3046335/...

Mail said:

The Scottish Nasty Party and how its growing intimidation and intolerance of dissent reeks of fascism

Put away your smoking gun

[McWigglebum4th]

Strocky said:

So you're happy to subsidise the uber rich off the backs of others?

Define the uber rich

[simoid]

Strocky said:

simoid said:

Funk said:

Absolutely - if you want a party in charge whose sole objective is the breakup of the Union (which you've already stated you don't want). Can you not see how ridiculous that is?

The majority of voters in Scotland have always rejected the SNP, so the premise that we keep voting for them is misguided. They are a large minority.

Next month may render your post redundant

Possibly.

That would be a shame as the SNP are a pointless party. They sell the dream destination of independence, but in reality they only want to enjoy the journey forever.

[simoid]

barryrs said:

simoid said:

What's the story there Barry?

Guam posted the link the the previous page. - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3046335/...

Mail said:

The Scottish Nasty Party and how its growing intimidation and intolerance of dissent reeks of fascism

Thanks, I don't click on daily mail links without knowing what they are

[Strocky]

McWigglebum4th said:

Strocky said:

So you're happy to subsidise the uber rich off the backs of others?

Define the uber rich

Someone who could afford to give millions to a political party, meet with the secretary of state and censor their own national newspaper (The Telegraph) of being critical of subjects that might bring them into disrepute

[Strocky]

simoid said:

Strocky said:

simoid said:

Funk said:

Absolutely - if you want a party in charge whose sole objective is the breakup of the Union (which you've already stated you don't want). Can you not see how ridiculous that is?

The majority of voters in Scotland have always rejected the SNP, so the premise that we keep voting for them is misguided. They are a large minority.

Next month may render your post redundant

Possibly.

That would be a shame as the SNP are a pointless party. They sell the dream destination of independence, but in reality they only want to enjoy the journey forever.

Time will tell

[Strocky]

simoid said:

barryrs said:

simoid said:

What's the story there Barry?

Guam posted the link the the previous page. - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3046335/...

Mail said:

The Scottish Nasty Party and how its growing intimidation and intolerance of dissent reeks of fascism

Thanks, I don't click on daily mail links without knowing what they are

Are you as choosy about posting Telegraph links?

[barryrs]

Strocky said:

Someone who could afford to give millions to a political party, meet with the secretary of state and censor their own national newspaper (The Telegraph) of being critical of subjects that might bring them into disrepute

People like Sir Brian Souter & Ian Watson perhaps?

[Wombat3]

Strocky said:

Wombat3 said:

Strocky said:

Wombat3 said:

MissChief said:

I may have voted 'no' in the referendum but will certainly be voting SNP in the election. Any 'english' party doesn't give a stuff about Scotland and cares more about their buddies running businesses.

Risible garbage. You seem to be yet another one who doesn't understand that there is no such thing as government money , no free money or that that there is no magic money tree down the end of the glen either.....

and FFS, put your victim card away!

The vast majority of people that earn more than you are more than likely

a) harder working than you or
b) more talented than you or
c) smarter than you

Or some combination of all three.

What is far less likely is that they are just "lucky" or in some way "favoured"

Fortunately for you such people (and businesses)pay a huge amount of tax to fund the government (which still manages to spend even more still). Said government then spends a disproportionate amount of that money (per head of population) in Scotland. The amount of tax being extracted from the highest earners has also never been higher. See also "the Laffer curve" and be careful not to bite the hand that feeds you (us).

Scotland does very nicely out of being part of the Union, it receives far greater amounts of public spending per head than almost anywhere else. In cash terms by far the largest amount of that money is generated in London and the south east - so God help you if the part of the country that really earns the money and also contains a far greater percentage of the population (than is in Scotland) ever turns round & tells you to "do one".

Are you including the likes of the Barclay's Brothers in your wee rant there?

They tick box a,b & c and contribute what to the UK magic money tree other than campaign donations to the Conservative party?

Last time I looked they employed quite a lot of people. A bit like Guardian Media Group.....

(Plastic spoon, must try harder)

So you're happy to subsidise the uber rich off the backs of others?

Oh the humanity! The victim card comes out yet again!

Who's subsidising "the uber rich" ? Unless you think these people are doing something illegal....?

I somehow doubt you make any voluntary donations to the exchequer either......

[AstonZagato]

Nats must think the Queen in Lewis Carrol's "Through the Looking-Glass" is a bit of a wimp. She would only believe in six impossible things before breakfast. You need to be far more of a believer to get the Nat manifesto.

[simoid]

Strocky said:

simoid said:

barryrs said:

simoid said:

What's the story there Barry?

Guam posted the link the the previous page. - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3046335/...

Mail said:

The Scottish Nasty Party and how its growing intimidation and intolerance of dissent reeks of fascism

Thanks, I don't click on daily mail links without knowing what they are

Are you as choosy about posting Telegraph links?

No.

"Alex Salmond: Rupert Murdoch is a 'remarkable man'"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-in...

[Rick_1138]

barryrs said:

Strocky said:

Can we give it a rest with this type of rhetoric and the Nazi pish as well, it demeans the sacrifices that others made fighting real facism in the real world

Exactly; everyone knows the conservatives are the real nazi's

The funny thing is that swastika is the Buddhist symbol for peace, the Nazi one is the other way round.

So he is basically saying that the tories are scum, but peace and love too

Ah the uneducated graffiti Nat!

[simoid]

Andrew Neil taking Swinney to town on Daily Politics.

In Scotland since 2007:

Scottish NHS budget up 15%, England up 23%.
Scottish education budget up 4% (fall in real terms) England's up 12%.

[McWigglebum4th]

simoid said:

Andrew Neil taking Swinney to town on Daily Politics.

In Scotland since 2007:

Scottish NHS budget up 15%, England up 23%.
Scottish education budget up 4% (fall in real terms) England's up 12%.

Both the fault of the tory party


For those with an IQ of a spoon both arguments have been won

For those with an IQ higher then a spoon they would never vote SNP anyway

[Mojocvh]

Funk said:

And this is why Scotland is stuffed. You're voting in a party whose sole aim is to move you toward the very thing you voted 'no' to.

Edited by Funk on Monday 20th April 10:21

Could I just point out that this SNP election thing is, at present, nothing more than media manipulation.

[andymadmak]

barryrs said:

arp1 said:

Businesses that said they would invest and stay in scotland post no vote have been found out to be lies

Had the "settled will" of the Scottish people been respected then investment would have been forthcoming however the neverendum has left Scotland in limbo.

arp1 this is the point you are missing. Had the Nats respected the vote then I think you would have seen business investment returning to Scotland. The reason you feel lied to on this point is PRECISELY because the Nats have never accepted the result of the Referendum and have been frantically trying to find ways to justify a new one almost as soon as the ink was dry on the last set of ballot papers. Business will NOT invest under those circumstances, whether you like it or not. You Nats are creating your own self fulfilling prophecy. You are damaging Scotland. It simply beggars belief that you turn that somehow into BT having lied to you. Please, for the love of Scotland STOP!

[simoid]

McWigglebum4th said:

simoid said:

Andrew Neil taking Swinney to town on Daily Politics.

In Scotland since 2007:

Scottish NHS budget up 15%, England up 23%.
Scottish education budget up 4% (fall in real terms) England's up 12%.

Both the fault of the tory party


For those with an IQ of a spoon both arguments have been won

For those with an IQ higher then a spoon they would never vote SNP anyway

Swinney struggled to name a policy that took from rich and gave to poor.

He named council tax freeze (lol!)

Then named the stamp duty changes (fair enough). 1 policy in however many years of government!?

[McWigglebum4th]

simoid said:

McWigglebum4th said:

simoid said:

Andrew Neil taking Swinney to town on Daily Politics.

In Scotland since 2007:

Scottish NHS budget up 15%, England up 23%.
Scottish education budget up 4% (fall in real terms) England's up 12%.

Both the fault of the tory party


For those with an IQ of a spoon both arguments have been won

For those with an IQ higher then a spoon they would never vote SNP anyway

Swinney struggled to name a policy that took from rich and gave to poor.

He named council tax freeze (lol!)

Then named the stamp duty changes (fair enough). 1 policy in however many years of government!?

Because of the council tax freeze i am looking at buying a caterham

This is the fault of the tory party

[Garvin]

arp1 said:

Businesses that said they would invest and stay in scotland post no vote have been found out to be lies

This beggars belief! If the Nats and SNP had accepted the referendum result then you may well have seen the required investment. With the ongoing unsettled position and lack of confidence generated by the SNP then the result is as expected.